2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2839326 27-Dec-2021 22:28

gzt: This sounds a little unusual to me. Are you in an area where there are a high number of people with covid isolating? Do the pamphlets and fridge magnets have any 'authorised by' info? Can you post some pictures? I'm thinking this is a local dhb or iwi initiative of some kind.

Nope. It's part of the summer campaign, also radio advertising. a link to back this up...

https://covid19.govt.nz/prepare-and-stay-safe/keep-up-healthy-habits/stay-safe-this-summer/

2nd section.

Incl a pdf outlining supplies if you get stuck and need to stay in place

Basically it's the transtasman warnings pre delta. Now domestic thanks in part to the new stay at home when positive plan.

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#2839327 27-Dec-2021 22:28

gzt:
@vexxxboy: Helpful suggestions , prepare an isolation room and shop for food . can any one help me understand why these were made ,

This sounds a little unusual to me. Are you in an area where there are a high number of people with covid isolating? Do the pamphlets and fridge magnets have any 'authorised by' info? Can you post some pictures? I'm thinking this is a local dhb or iwi initiative of some kind.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2839380 27-Dec-2021 22:46

vexxxboy:

my son has just got pamphlet ,or more a large fridge magnet, from the government he has to deliver saying get prepared for covid 19, it is now the time to plan so your family can be safe through Covid 19, i would have thought it is 2 years to late to start planning what to do when Covid 19 comes .Helpful suggestions , prepare an isolation room and shop for food . can any one help me understand why these were made , they must have cost a fortune and tell you nothing unless you were living under a rock for the past two years.

I have not seen this but to me this is a great move and the reasons are very clear.

Lets first look at the prepping side.

Governments around the world have been warned since the 1970s when New Zealand Scientists professor emeritus Robert Webster first discovered the zoonotic pathway from birds to humans with Influenza to prepare for the big one.

Robert Webster is from the South Island of New Zealand, he works in the United states and is teased as being the Pope of the bird flu.

Like Micheal Baker and others, he has been maligned his whole career for scare mongering. All health care workers experience this, I keep getting off side with the tribal council in this thread for scare mongering.

The facts are, that one day, a pandemic will kill at least half a billion people, those are the facts.

Right now we are in a pandemic, that has just fried the contact tracing and testing systems of Australia. The very systems that have separated this country from the Covid horrors seen in the rest of the world.

Our border controls mean nothing once Omicron gets here. When it does, open the border. When it is here, even with our harshest restrictions, we will see spread unseen in this country, ever. Why is that? because omicron is universally being accepted around the world as the most infectious thing mankind has seen.

It is laughable that we have as many omicron cases as our daily Delta figure in MIQ.

MIQ workers do not wear Hazzamats.

The CDC will have Omicron in a level four bio hazzard lab, as the most infectious thing ever, the people who study these things, will be wearing Hazzamats.

Omicron will destroy our contact tracing and testing.

This is fact.

Our daily numbers in the community will rappidly mean nothing.

Therefore our at present main containment measures will be defunct. Everyone....well almost everyone will get it.

In a highly vaccinated society with limited beds in hospital...the unvaccinated may very well clog the system and block hospital care for all non Covid cases bar the most critical. Whatever....I can guarantee you that cancer patients need to add plus X amount of months to the systems response time...because the resourcing will take over as Radiologists look at Covid pneumonia scans instead of tumor imaging.

At home care in South Auckland will be monitoring thousands of stubborn overweight, diabetic folk who may or may not be smokers or have sleep apneoa, which will clog that system.

But most of all....it is not health care the vaccinated need worry about...what do you think will happen to supermarkets if up to a third of their work force is off sick on any given day?

Pretty dam good advice to tell you to stock up if you are going to be isolating for two weeks and if the supermarkets see multiple gaps on shelves.

The good news is that when the wave gets really big...you are only looking at two to four weeks of no services. Because it (the omicron wave) will crash rappidly.

And the really good news, is that the mostly vaccinated people reading this will be absolutely fine, and if they get their shopping done early the whole thing will blow over like a massive false alarm because they will not even notice the minor disruptions.

Isolated communities on the other hand, could go through a short but violent shock in terms of disruptions and avoidable stress thanks to having tens of thousands of holiday makers to factor in when the only store within 50k of the batch is shut due to illness.

Just keep swimming...

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#2839472 28-Dec-2021 10:21

Found this drivel in my mailbox this morning:

Did these clowns really win a complaint against the Advertising Standards Authority?

Edit: looks like on maybe 1 complaint out of 3: https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/afternoons/audio/2018822968/asa-tick-on-fringe-group-pamphlet-bonkers-farrier

In any case, this nonsense went straight into the recycling. Best place for it. Hopefully everyone else does the same thing. They must be doing a local drop (did anyone else get one?).

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#2839481 28-Dec-2021 11:02

They also can't advocate or ask if you qualify anymore. As the criteria changed and you need to apply through official channels. It's not free for all. So if these chumps are still advertising using hand-me-down copies they are being more douche than normal.

The claim they don't reduce infection rate is a bit one sided. We're all aware it's not to protect the wearer but others. But they play on it to advantage.

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#2839493 28-Dec-2021 13:16

NSW numbers (source covidlive.com.au)

Daily cases have now spent 6 days in the area of 6000. But in the face of quite a dramatic decline in testing (but still a lot of testing compared to NZ).

Numbers in hospital (and those requiring ICU care or ventilation) are showing a solid upwards trend.

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#2839505 28-Dec-2021 13:34

gzt:
NZHerald: In the sermon, Tamaki referenced the upcoming vaccination rollout for 5-to-11-year-olds, set to begin in January, saying, "they want to touch our children, they're coming after our kids"

Basically wrong. As everyone knows, kids cannot be vaccinated without parental consent. Unfortunately this is the kind of thing repeated to scare people. I don't know why.

For clarity:

Kids in the 5 - 11 age band will require a parent, caregiver or legal guardian to consent for them to be vaccinated.

Kids 12+ have the right to give consent themselves (as long as they are deemed competent).

https://covid19.govt.nz/covid-19-vaccines/get-the-facts-about-covid-19-vaccination/covid-19-vaccination-and-children/

Kids 12+ being able to consent themselves seems is something the anti-vax lobby groups have latched onto. I got a "You can't take it back... once they're jabbed" brochure from one of the lobby groups in my letterbox months ago, pushing this theme.

And there has been this media article:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126786924/covid19-14yearold-students-get-vaccinated-while-skipping-class-for-hot-chips

“I just felt my rights as a mother had been stripped away from me, I was so broken. I had no knowledge of the no parent consent.”

Personally I think the balance age of 12 to give consent for this is about right. Need to give kids the right to stop crazy parents from impacting on their health. But young kids are unlikely to understand the significance of them giving consent.

[edit] interestingly the 5 - 11 age group, a dose spacing of at least 8 weeks is recommended (with the minimum being 21 days, with the child being about to start a significant suppression treatment being used as an example where this might be appropriate.)

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#2839506 28-Dec-2021 13:34

Drove to Lower Hutt for my booster appointment today. Time, locationand date confirmed by text yesterday.

Chemist was closed....

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#2839523 28-Dec-2021 13:47

Going by others caught out, including myself. I'm not surprised the system also can't work out Monday/Tuesday is Christmas day and boxing day observed due to them falling on weekend and not a 'normal' day.

Guess comes down to who can afford the effective 3x rate it comes with other than supermarket and large retail.

Local dominos closed, as is 2 of the 3 chemists. And the popular fish n chip shop. And a heap of the testing and jab stations.

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#2839524 28-Dec-2021 14:00

@Geektastic: Drove to Lower Hutt for my booster appointment today. Time, locationand date confirmed by text yesterday.

Chemist was closed....

Geez. That's just stupid.

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#2839525 28-Dec-2021 14:01

Apparently 5 people got their first doses on Christmas day, how and where they did that ?
52 second doses and one third.
199 got their first doses yesterday.

Good on them, but its a slow process.

A radio report of a womens prison guard testing positive, and only 67% of inmates are vaxed.
I guess its one of the few things they have control over, but ...
Apparently national average for prisons is 68%.

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#2839526 28-Dec-2021 14:01

Scott3:

NSW numbers (source covidlive.com.au)

Daily cases have now spent 6 days in the area of 6000. But in the face of quite a dramatic decline in testing (but still a lot of testing compared to NZ).

Numbers in hospital (and those requiring ICU care or ventilation) are showing a solid upwards trend.

This rapid climb then plateau at 6000 cases is like looking at a broken odometer.

Hospitalizations are looking like the control group.

It would be interesting to hear from modellers in Australia a comprehensive run down of why the figures froze at a capped number.

Given the known rate of break through infections the freeze seems more likely a systems error than a real world phenomena.

No one at the moment is in the mood to talk to the elephant in the room in NSW, and that is understandable, who wants to be that person, the one who risks their reputation and career by questioning whether the testing may not be giving reliable data estimates anymore.

What I understand is (without the break down I talked about to back up these claims) is that human behavior may have skewed the system as much as any flaws in the systems design.

To sum it up, what we are hearing from online posts, is that symptomatic people, are having to wait 4-5 hours to get tested, because the massive queues are filled with people wanting a holiday test that really should have not been in the count in the first place.

These are people wanting a tourism pass...to enter QLD, and recently many people wanting to get peace of mind before joining friends and family on holiday.

To enter QLD you need a negative test result for a period of up to five days before you cross the border. Clearly this is now an anachronism....since a negative pcr test...that is five days old....from an omicron epicenter hot spot...is not worth the pixels it is printed with.

New Zealand will need to learn from this mistake. We need to ignore calls to reintroduce micro internal borders with testing requirements....not unless it is a first case discovery in a small region, where contact trace is on top of it...yeah nah ain't gonna happen because omicron will escape an Urban MIQ.

Either lock down hard (I think this is completely futile and counter productive) or have no lock downs, and just contact trace to a certain break point, which we already know from Delta, and this break point will be reached within fourteen days with omicron....so we should know very fast when it is time to just do what we are doing right now with these wonderful traffic lights and accept that we will only nominally effect the curve of the wave.

Anyway, what happens to NSW numbers now?

Is 6k where it freezes until the vast majority of people in testing lines are actually having signs of illness?

Or do we see a all of a sudden jolt in cases by many thousands at a specific point where people stop clogging lines for travel?

Or does door three exist? is there a possibility that a 90 percentile vaxxed society sees a massively shrunken wave peak on an exponential monster that the world has never seen spread with these speeds?

Big countries can deal with rubbish data, the United States do it all the time, they have not sunk below the waves without trace in doing so...and they have done it from the outset of the Pandemic. The only thing that happens is that hospital numbers become a political inconvenience and are brushed over and onward the yanks march to the next variant....more than one way to skin a cat and all that.

I keep being haunted by Trumps truism, no testing....no virus.

Just keep swimming...

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#2839530 28-Dec-2021 14:12

ezbee:
Apparently 5 people got their first doses on Christmas day, how and where they did that ?
52 second doses and one third.
199 got their first doses yesterday.

Limited places remained open for testing/ jabs of frontline still. Was a lot more 3rds in the stats too.

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#2839534 28-Dec-2021 14:21

Sup:

Hospitalizations are looking like the control group.

100%. There are numerous reasons why people won't test at this time of year. That doesn't apply to being sick enough for the hospital. Really low NZ numbers today, same deal.

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#2839535 28-Dec-2021 14:24

Sup:

To enter QLD you need a negative test result for a period of up to five days before you cross the border. Clearly this is now an anachronism....since a negative pcr test...that is five days old....from an omicron epicenter hot spot...is not worth the pixels it is printed with.

The Testing requirement for QLD travel has just been axed,

Irrespective of the 5 day period, QLD had over 1000 cases today, there is no point is trying to "keep it out" ... the Door is already hanging off its hinges banging in the wind.....

The Eastern states can probably scrap any internal travel restrictions as they are now all in the same boat.. The outlier remains WA, which looks like it might have contained the outbreak from the French QLD Backpacker....

But it throws a huge spanner into the NZ "reconnecting" plan... and If I were the Cooks I would be very concerned about opening up to NZ.. as you basically betting your country on how long the NZ MIQ border holds ( and it will fail at some time)....

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