media say he was granted the impossible medical exemption from vaccination but it seems they are no longer granting it?

i recall a while ago the chief medical officer says almost nobody (Australian) is exempt. the condition for exemption is (for an Australian) - allergic to both pfizer and moderna

kobiak:

 

High profile anti-vaxx drama https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/tennis-novak-djokovic-lands-in-australia-but-is-held-by-border-force-officials/VSCOXX2A7I7JLVI6B4QRHZOVV4/

 

I feel the aussies pain to allow Djokovic in, but now he is held by airport security guards... and Djokovic funs threatens to hold protest? kick him out and his crew. Stay firm on the antivaxx rules - this will be consistent message to anyone who is antivaxx by choice. 

 

except that he was supposedly granted a medical exemption from vaccination

media are suspecting he needed to provide proof for his medical exemption but perhaps the proof is not accepted?

Batman:

 

except that he was supposedly granted a medical exemption from vaccination

 

media are suspecting he needed to provide proof for his medical exemption but perhaps the proof is not accepted?

 

It seems that the likely exempt as already had Covid isnt part of the rules

Novak Djokovic has visa cancelled, told to leave Australia

wow. 

kobiak:

 

Novak Djokovic has visa cancelled, told to leave Australia

 

wow. 

 

Yep. Bad = bad for the AUS Open

Good = same rules for Joe Nobody has been applied to Joe Somebody

Public reaction will be a huge plus so Good = Politics

Batman:

 

except that he was supposedly granted a medical exemption from vaccination

 

media are suspecting he needed to provide proof for his medical exemption but perhaps the proof is not accepted?

 

zocster:

 

Not claiming anything, I've just made the decision to go the other direction. 

 

Few papers like here, here and here suggests Astra is better. As for the other ones too many to source, and personal experiences with relatives and friends overseas having adverse effects with pfizer to make me not want it anywhere near me.. 

 

If you've been doing a bit of reading on the subject, you would realise one of the greatest predictors for reporting adverse effects is the person's own expectations?

e.g.

The difference between the placebo and vaccine arms are broadly similar for many reported symptoms:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00239-8/fulltext

and nocebo-prone behavior is associated with SARS-CoV-2 vaccine hesitancy:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8541064/

Djokovic 

Apparently there are others that may have got in already, under 'rigorous' exemptions.

Apparently the 'rigorous' tennis approving medical panels did not have access to doctors or ability to verify documents as its all anonymous.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-06/novak-djokovic-lands-in-melbourne-visa-issues/100740812

""
Yesterday, the decision was met with widespread criticism, but Tennis Australia and Victorian government officials say Djokovic was not given special treatment.

The Serb's exemption application was assessed by two separate panels who did not know the name, age or country of origin of the person making the application.

Tennis Australia said 26 people made vaccine exemption applications related to the Australian Open, and "only a handful" were granted.

Various countries have also accepted prior infection as equivalent to full vaccination.
""

Of course if you are travelling the world just get vaccinated in a place where you can buy a 'real' certificate and you are golden.

Scott3:

 

On AstraZeneca, it is a safe & effective vaccine. As such I respect everybody who chooses to get it, regardless or reason.

 

Being a largely technical forum, we get hung up on the differing safety and effectiveness profiles of the various brands. But often the differences are small. But the bottom line is from an individual perspective, all the approved vaccines have an acceptable safety profile, and all provide decent protection against severe disease.

 

 

 

From a population health perspective, the issue with AstraZenica for NZ right now, is that early research is showing that they do little to nothing to stop / slow the spread of Omicron. Evidence is that Pfizer with a booster does (although it but still isn't great: some data has it at 70% effective against omicron infection at 1 week, and 45% at 10 weeks). 

Given the threat of a omicron wave, I think our officials have got it largely right in promoting Pfizer, incl the booster program.

zocster:

 

Has anyone got trial numbers of pfizer on 5-11? Mine are 12 so yeah I think they'll be fine with the novavax. 

 

 

Understand the poster is now locked out of this thread, but for completeness (from somebody who thinks Novavax shows serious promise, and would have taken it as my booster if it had of been available when I became eligible):

 

• NZ placed an order for Novavax back in 2020. 5.36m courses. That order is still open, and there is no public timeline for delivery. Should note that Novavax's production issues have been well publicized. And also should not that the presence of an order doesn't mean the vaccine will be offered in NZ (Medsafe have approved the Janssen vaccine, and we have an advance purchase agreement for 2m doses, but it has not been made available.)
• Novavax is not yet approved for Use in NZ. med-safe is currently considering it for those aged 18 or older (I think this is due to 18 - 84 age range covered in the trial). https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/COVID-19/status-of-applications.asp
• At 12, children are able to give their own informed consent to be vaccinated.

So in short, No Novavax for under 18's.

 

Well said. Someone who chooses Astra Zeneca is not an antivaxxer if they actually get the vaccine, it is a hesitancy issue by definition to wait because you do not trust a particular platform.

While we are sticking with evidenced based discussion here, the idea of another platform bolstered by an MRNA shot is proven hey, to provide broad immunity.

My concern with the particular discussion was the mention of kids and therefore the specter of a delay there, I won't go on about that because it is a sensitive topic, the parent choice thing, which is why I am fully supportive of the right of 12 year olds to make their own independent choices about their bodies in all of this.

I know a kid, the son of an Antivaxxer Nurse friend who came to us for advice. His mother had told him she would disown him if he had the vaccine.

He was understandably really distressed about situation. So the wife (who is also a Nurse) and I just listened, and it was apparent the young man was really anxious about getting Covid unprotected, vs being abandoned by his parent.

So it was very helpful to tell him that in this situation, he was allowed to make his own choices, and that this right was granted to him for that very reason.

The real can of worms, in talking to someone else's kid, was when he asked if he had to tell his mother. Technically he does not, even though the guidance frame work seeks the involvement of the parent and the sharing of health information as the ideal of the intent of the legislation.

It is one thing to tell a kid you have the right to choose, it is another to become a proxy influencer of a child against the will of that child's parents.

Fortunately I have a back ground in health acts, ethics and rights, and advocacy, especially the rights of individuals versus the law and compulsory treatment.

In such cases it is sound practice when asked a difficult question like this, one where your partiality and relationships are compromised, to deffer to an independent, and the obvious person to discuss that question with the child is the health care professional who will be conducting the informed consent process in a formal setting.

Long story short the kid decided to wait till his Mother approved, and fortunately she changed her mind about not getting vaccinated at the 11th hour when faced with the loss of her Nursing income.

Thereafter the young fellah got his shots done and told his mother who received the news in a more rational and accepting way.

NSW numbers:

RE the tennis player, most of the comments I see on Facebook have been along the lines of "self-entitled so-and-so", very few in support of him, and lol at his Dad saying it's a "freedom" issue for the world or some bs.

Sup:

 

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I know a kid, the son of an Antivaxxer Nurse friend who came to us for advice. His mother had told him she would disown him if he had the vaccine.

 

He was understandably really distressed about situation. So the wife (who is also a Nurse) and I just listened, and it was apparent the young man was really anxious about getting Covid unprotected, vs being abandoned by his parent.

 

So it was very helpful to tell him that in this situation, he was allowed to make his own choices, and that this right was granted to him for that very reason.

 

The real can of worms, in talking to someone else's kid, was when he asked if he had to tell his mother. Technically he does not, even though the guidance frame work seeks the involvement of the parent and the sharing of health information as the ideal of the intent of the legislation.

 

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Wow, rather you than me.

Really sad that some people's anti-vax stances are so strong that they are use serious threat's to impose their will on others. Definitely not "Pro Choice" in that case.

Both NSW and Victoria are slashing elective surgery due to hospital load.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/hospitals-are-being-crippled-elective-surgery-halted-as-health-system-strains-under-pressure-20220105-p59m1j.html

https://7news.com.au/news/vic/vic-slashes-surgery-over-hospital-pressure-c-5196129

Will be really sad news to those who are suffering as they wait for an extended period for their elective surgery.