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  #2844825 7-Jan-2022 14:28
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Well I did not expect the expiry date on the certificate to be more than notional.

 

I remember the lifetime drivers license.

 

For 'disease' moderation and prevention for majority it may be quite suitable, even conservative.
Infection not so much of an issue if its mostly a few days in bed, and not loading hospital.

 

Timing for a possible winter boost reminder ?

 

Of course certain people apparently knew omicorn was coming and when.
Pity they did not let the rest of us know. 

 

I can just imagine the horror and backlash if pass was issued with short expiry date. 

 

Alternative paralyze yourself with a do nothing attitude, nothing to criticize here move along. 

 

We do see that once people get that first dose the uptake on second is very high, higher than expected.
People in high risk, MIQ, Healthcare, Border can and are being covered separately. 
So more than enough people will probably take up the third anyway.

 

The Golden Nitcomb award goes to. :-) 




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  #2844831 7-Jan-2022 14:40
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GV27:

 

From what we've seen in Sydney, I'd consider putting off any heart attacks you might have penciled in over the next six months.  

 

 

Speaking of Sydney: 'NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet could reintroduce some Covid-19 restrictions today after the state recorded 38,625 new cases and 11 deaths.'

 

'The state has recorded more infections in the past three days than during the entirety of the Delta outbreak, which ran from 16 June to 29 November,, when the Omicron strain was first detected.

 

'The number of deaths in the latest reporting period is the highest in the state since 9 October.

 

Hospitalisations in the state have grown exponentially with another 129 patients admitted for Covid-19 treatment, bringing the total to 1738.' 

 

The quotes are from this report.

 

And here is a fact check of Professor Brookes' assertions from another interview.

 

 

 

 





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  #2844832 7-Jan-2022 14:40
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freitasm:

 

Correct. And seeing batman relies so much on media (based on links posted here), I'd like to point out there's a huge difference between fake news and incorrect news.

 

Fake news is misleading by design. It is deceiving. And most importantly it does not remove their articles even when they know they're intentionally and factually incorrect.

 

 

that's a good point! nice one calling me out on. fallen on my own sword.




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  #2844962 7-Jan-2022 17:39
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bazzer:

 

Geektastic:

 

The document proves little more than at some point you had a Vaccination.

 

Which was originally the point, I guess? It wasn't known then that more frequent boosters would be required. They at least built in a 6 month limit, capped at 1 June so any changes they want to make can be actioned by then at the latest.

 

I'm not sure what they'll do if they want to mandate that only boostered passes are valid before then. I suppose it would be pretty easy to change the scanner to only green light those passes (assuming that data can be encoded in the QR) but that doesn't help places that sight and don't scan passes. Perhaps they could embed a picture in the middle of the QR indicating as such? But maybe it's not that big of a problem and they can wait until June.

 

BTW: My international pass appears to be valid until December 22 so it's not a problem unique to NZ.

 

 

The only purpose of the NZ vaccine pass was to show you were allowed entry into a premises operating under a vaccine pass mandate in the Covid protection framework. Nothing more, nothing less which is unlike other countries where vaccination details are even embedded in the QR code.

 

The problem with the whole system is that it was undermined the day the PM announced that it wouldn't be mandatory to scan the passes to validate them. You can't easily revoke any passes now as a result of this.

 

I know one person who worked on the project who didn't seriously expect we'd still be using vaccine passes probably come the end of January, but what changes Omicron results in will be interesting. The fact being vaccinated or unvaccinated doesn't change your ability to catch or spread Omicron is very different from earlier variants.

 

 

 

 


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  #2844981 7-Jan-2022 18:28
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I'm not normally into videos (time consuming) but the one in the link below sent by a friend is quite interesting. 

 

Discusses possible origins of Omicron likely being via human-mice-human chain.  Based on a recent peer-reviewed article (link below).  At times talks as though it was a fact, though to be fair does make clear it is an hypothesis.

 

https://youtu.be/aH1u1GIPU2A

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1673852721003738

 

 

 

 


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  #2844992 7-Jan-2022 19:22
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DS248:

 

I'm not normally into videos (time consuming) but the one in the link below sent by a friend is quite interesting. 

 

Discusses possible origins of Omicron likely being via human-mice-human chain.  Based on a recent peer-reviewed article (link below).  At times talks as though it was a fact, though to be fair does make clear it is an hypothesis.

 

https://youtu.be/aH1u1GIPU2A

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1673852721003738

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah I saw that. It is interesting. And it should remind us that this talk of the virus burning out....sigh.....again......is daft if it has a rodent reservoir or any species.

 

Burn out...so how does that happen...vaccinate all the mice? sorry I know I am oversimplifying, but i have become jaded by the media expert jingoism of a milder pandemic and one that is coming to an end rah dee rah rah just like the other one which was just after the one before that and so on.

 

Don't get me wrong I do enjoy the science and the forecasting and the crystal ball gazing, but it gets tiring when you weigh all the half full glasses, against what we actually have here...the most disruptive and widespread out of control thing in all of our life times.

 

And what gets me most about covid, is that it has changed the rules on us so many times, and moved the goal posts over and over...so at what point to we say 'this thing is its own master, it will write its own script,  and it will be telling us how it is for the foreseeable future until we learn to work together against it, rather than waiting for the virus to play nice and kill itself.

 

Until the world stops hoping on moon beams and unicorns and actually comes up with a centralized WHO generated plan with UN level of buy in from all nations, where therapeutics and vaccines go first to places that have none....I do not want to bank on the virus dying out...because I do not trust it to follow some wish list in a timely fashion for human convenience.

 

 





Just keep swimming...


 
 
 

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  #2845019 7-Jan-2022 20:38
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Some Christchurch residents are (quite rightly) getting sick of the pointless, nonstop protests in their area:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/127431401/cranmer-square-residents-fight-back-against-noisy-and-intimidating-antigovernment-protests

 

 


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  #2845021 7-Jan-2022 20:41
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Explains what I saw being setup last week. I did have a thought it may be

No certs, fencing, and more than there should be. And nutters carrying around NZ flags.

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  #2845092 7-Jan-2022 23:17
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quickymart:

 

Some Christchurch residents are (quite rightly) getting sick of the pointless, nonstop protests in their area:

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/127431401/cranmer-square-residents-fight-back-against-noisy-and-intimidating-antigovernment-protests

 

 

 

 

These are the people who will ensure omicron is an exponential explosive curve with a doubling time that is shorter than 24 hours.

 

There is no way around a explosive wave of tens of thousands of cases when omicron gets seeded among these groups.

 

They do not conform to restrictions whenever possible, and some will actually willfully cause on spread once they know they are infected. They will not routinely get tested or cooperate with any contact tracing efforts.

 

Globally our societies are too tolerant of people who congregate like this in such a way, in such a climate, that their actions profoundly impact on society as a whole. It is a form of bio terrorism.

 

We should have had mandated vaccines for all. No vaccine, no access to supermarkets, no gas, no nothing end of story.

 

However, since we do not live in a ideal world where national security includes the protection and welfare of citizens by ensuring safe and adequate health care for all....then we have to live with it.

 

The only thing of comfort you could say is that they will be inoculated rappidly and some of them will be selected out of the ecosystem.

 

Otherwise, even if everyone played by the rules, omicron will spread very quickly. These guys will make sure it hits everywhere all at once.

 

 





Just keep swimming...


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  #2845186 8-Jan-2022 09:35
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@Sup:

 

The only thing of comfort you could say is that they will be inoculated rappidly and some of them will be selected out of the ecosystem.

 

 

These people are, in the old soviet parlance "useful idiots".

 

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  #2845227 8-Jan-2022 11:33
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Well good morning sports fans, and already Australia are hitting it out of the park this today....

 

VIC just pushed through 50K positive cases yesterday, with a positivity rate of 57%  from nearly 90K tests.... ( not sure of RATs are included in their totals yet,)

 

EDIT: it appears there are 26K positive RATs . but they have counted all that have been submitted from the last week in the figures ( as its the first day they are included) , there were about 7K that were actually submitted yesterday, - So they are cruising at around 30K daily positives... 

 

NSW is just behind with 45K positive from 116K tests, with a positivity of 38%...

 

I think its pretty clear that everyone in OZ is gonna get this in the next month or so,

 

 

 

NZ needs a plan rather than sleepwalking into it as we seem to be doing... Where are the stadium mass boost events this weekend?, where are the RAT pickup locations... ???


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  #2845255 8-Jan-2022 12:18
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A friend of mine (from whatever former Yugoslavia is these days) just sent me a message asking me to sign a petition for Novax (as the Aussies are calling him). He is fully vaccinated himself but said it's about freedom of choice. I haven't seen this man in person for a long time, and couldn't be bothered arguing so said we'd have to agree to disagree as I probably won't see him again so I don't feel I'm losing a really close friendship; my view was Novax should be vaccinated like the rest of us, he's nothing special and why should he get an exemption?

 

He then tried to tell me about "satanic" leaders who are trying to control who in their population survives and who doesn't, which is one I hadn't heard before.


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  #2845257 8-Jan-2022 12:26
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"I am fully vaccinated but freedoooom"

Something tells me your friend is not fully vaccinated.




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  #2845260 8-Jan-2022 12:43
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wellygary:

 

Well good morning sports fans, and already Australia are hitting it out of the park this today....

 

VIC just pushed through 50K positive cases yesterday, with a positivity rate of 57%  from nearly 90K tests.... ( not sure of RATs are included in their totals yet,)

 

EDIT: it appears there are 26K positive RATs . but they have counted all that have been submitted from the last week in the figures ( as its the first day they are included) , there were about 7K that were actually submitted yesterday, - So they are cruising at around 30K daily positives... 

 

NSW is just behind with 45K positive from 116K tests, with a positivity of 38%...

 

I think its pretty clear that everyone in OZ is gonna get this in the next month or so,

 

 

 

NZ needs a plan rather than sleepwalking into it as we seem to be doing... Where are the stadium mass boost events this weekend?, where are the RAT pickup locations... ???

 

 

 

 

Here we were thinking their estimates of 25k cases per day at the end of Jan was going to be a terrible outcome that seemed crazily high numbers.


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