2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2860606 2-Feb-2022 12:25

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Those people are pretty much due to get it now or in the next few weeks. So I am not sure they will reduce it. Especially as I don't know if they have supply to do it. It is a PITA when they do, because then if you have booked, you then have to go to the back of the queue. This happened to me last time and I spent about 3 hours in a queue getting it, when I was booked in and should have got it within half an hour. Wouldn't be surprised if the wait has put some people off getting it.

Our biggest day of vaccinations was super Saturday on the 17th of October 2021.

Using the 4 months + 1 day, these people will become eligible on the 18th of Feb. 16 days from today... Add 7 days for the booster to become effective, and that's 23 day's.

Bet ya they announce 3 month eligibility at the 1:30 announcement today, That moves the eligible pop from 2million to 3.2 million and by the end of Feb about 3.6 million of the 3.9 million double jabs are booster eligible

That will dovetail nicely into the PMs speech tomorrow which will likely look at allowing home isolation instead of MIQ sometime in March (maybe the 1st) - ( for Double or triple jabbed neg tested arrivals)

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#2860607 2-Feb-2022 12:28

Healthcare is not free for new Zealand people visiting Australia right? So they tell you to take out travel insurance under all circumstances.

I spend the ~$40 southern cross charge as a safety net for each time I go.

And if you are real lucky. Insurance you take out covers you, and includes medical evacuation clauses if necessary

Sooooo how do people still end up there for medical treatment seemingly not able to be done here? for over a year with trip back between. And no emergency insurance cover to avoid stuff like this.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-miq-lockout-ministry-of-social-development-wants-16k-back-from-kiwi-couple/IRUE3RPBORGTI5S574DDQQK2WQ

Imagine a medivac or private charter could end up cheaper than the 17k they now owe.

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#2860613 2-Feb-2022 12:38

Whats the expected measures when it becomes rampant in NZ or any area here?

Extended mask wearing and reduced premises numbers? Thats about all we can do under Red?

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#2860615 2-Feb-2022 12:42

Oblivian: Healthcare is not free for new Zealand people visiting Australia right?

There is reciprocal healthcare, yes - so if you end up in hospital it will be covered. But what you don't get, which travel insurance *may* cover is non-hospital benefits. For example, if you need prescriptions outside of a hospital setting here the reciprocal healthcare wont entitle you to any medicare subsidy so you'd pay full price for all your drugs, and you wouldn't get any rebate from visiting a GP or a specialist etc.

https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/reciprocal-health-care-agreements-visiting-from-new-zealand?context=22481

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#2860636 2-Feb-2022 13:43

tdgeek:

Whats the expected measures when it becomes rampant in NZ or any area here?

Extended mask wearing and reduced premises numbers? That's about all we can do under Red?

That plus voluntary and involuntary lock-downs.

Businesses will go into involuntary lock-down: either because they don't have enough staff to operate, because staff are sick, in isolation or too scared to come to work; or because they don't have enough customers to make it worth opening.

People will go into voluntary lock-down because they think it's too risky to be out and about.
No gyms, cafes, restaurants, pubs, bars or clubs. WFH, or call in a sickie, or "the school's closed, I have to stay home and mind the kids / grandkids". Do the shopping once a week or less, use delivery or click-and-collect if possible, etc.

Once (if?) we get thousands a day cases, I expect our town & city centres will look like it's "Level 4 Plus" lock-down

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#2860640 2-Feb-2022 13:49

I can see all that too, as the highly transmissable seems to override the milder side

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#2860664 2-Feb-2022 14:25

Press release:

A million more New Zealanders over 18 will be eligible for their booster from this Friday, COVID-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins announced today.

“Cabinet has considered advice from the Director-General of Health and the COVID-19 Vaccine Technical Advisory Group and decided to reduce the interval between a person’s primary vaccination course and the booster from 4 months to 3 months – starting this Friday 4 February,” Chris Hipkins said.

“This is a significant step in our response to the COVID-19 pandemic as it now means a total of 3,063,823 people aged 18 and over – two thirds of our population – will be eligible for their booster from this weekend. Over 1.3 million people have already got theirs.

“I urge every New Zealander who is eligible for a booster to get it as soon as possible. We are in a race against Omicron and the more people who are boosted the more we can reduce the impact of the outbreak.

“Bringing forward the booster timing will help those who have been immunised more recently. It will mean more people, especially Māori, will be able to receive a booster before Omicron takes hold in communities.

“Boosters lower your chances of getting very sick from the Omicron variant of COVID-19 and ending up in hospital. Fewer hospitalisations from COVID-19 will mean our health system can continue to provide the full range of care people need, in particular for our most vulnerable such as people with disabilities or long-term illnesses.

“It is also important to reduce impacts on other workforces such as those involved with the supply chain to ensure people have access to goods and services.

“New Zealand is in the top 10 most highly vaccinated countries in the OECD – 94 percent of us aged over 12 are fully vaccinated. That’s close to four million New Zealanders, over a quarter of which have now also had their booster shot.

“Now is our opportunity to build on that. We have given ourselves a head start that we cannot afford to give up.

“If you are over 18 and it is three months since you received your primary vaccination course, get your booster. There is excellent capacity this weekend and in the coming weeks and enough supply throughout Aotearoa for everyone.

“Thank you to our vaccination providers and staff across the country who are working the long weekend to ensure New Zealanders have options to access their booster dose, wherever they are,” Chris Hipkins said.

Notes for editors:

The shortened booster interval to 3 months only applies to the Pfizer vaccine. CV-TAG will provide separate advice on AstraZeneca later this month.
Everyone over 18 can check when they are due for a booster by visiting mycovidrecord.nz or if they have one, referring to their purple COVID-19 Vaccine appointment card or calling COVID Vaccination Healthline 0800 28 29 26 (8am - 8pm, 7 days a week).
Book your booster or find a walk-in vaccination centre at bookmyvaccine.nz or call COVID Vaccination Healthline 0800 28 29 26 (8am - 8pm, 7 days a week). Whānau bookings (group bookings for more than one person) can be made by calling 0800 28 29 26.
COVID-19 vaccines will continue to be available at mobile and pop-up vaccination clinics, particularly in rural Māori communities as well as marae vaccinations where a number of kaumatua received their initial doses.

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#2860688 2-Feb-2022 14:44

Does anyone have any good science backed evidence links to support this change to three months?
Pfizer testing was based on 6 months, and now we're at 1/2 the time of all the testing and approvals.

Not really interested in what over governments are doing (seems to be a political move), more interested in the science that supports the three months between.

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#2860689 2-Feb-2022 14:46

Tonga goes into lockdown

Iirc they didn't have cases until the international helpers landed to help with the volcano event

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/127660964/covid19-tongans-rush-to-shops-in-preparation-for-lockdown-after-positive-cases

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#2860694 2-Feb-2022 15:10

mentalinc:

Does anyone have any good science backed evidence links to support this change to three months?
Pfizer testing was based on 6 months, and now we're at 1/2 the time of all the testing and approvals.

Not really interested in what over governments are doing (seems to be a political move), more interested in the science that supports the three months between.

You are trying to compare two different things,

Product drug testing looks at individual reactions and then derives the impact on the population , i.e in 90% of patients develop antibodies, which remain for 10 weeks etc,

BUT when you are looking at population health you look at the overall impact on both those boosted and those without access to a booster

So while a 6 or 4 month boost may be optimal for individuals,

Having 90% of the population with a slightly less substantial boost at 3 months could have a better population impact than having 60% with a better 6 month boost

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#2860746 2-Feb-2022 15:33

yeah understand that.

I'm not really interested in what "could be better" for the population. I'm interested in what is best for me and my personal health outcomes based on the testing and science - so I can make an informed discussion on should I get a booster at 6 months, 4 months or 3 months. Or maybe even 2 months in a few weeks time when they change their mind again (it's only been 43 days since the change from 6 to 4 months - yes I understand we learn more every day - and that's what I'm asking to see)

Otherwise we're in a race to the bottom, next time there is a new strain we'll may need monthly boosters.. cause its best to have everyone with MAX immunity response?

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#2860752 2-Feb-2022 15:49

i moved my booster from next Wednesday to this Saturday, probably dont need to but i feel safer having a booster as soon as i can , so really still 4 months and i waited 6 weeks between 1st and 2nd , so that is my whole family boosted so now i just wait it out.

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2860753 2-Feb-2022 15:51

I tried changing from next Thursday to this Friday. Places around here don't seem to have any slot until later the week after so I will try a walk-in on Friday morning.

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#2860768 2-Feb-2022 16:25

freitasm:

I tried changing from next Thursday to this Friday. Places around here don't seem to have any slot until later the week after so I will try a walk-in on Friday morning.

I just hope that people with bookings get priority over walkins. Last time they reduced the time period, they didn't, so even though someone arrived and booked in at a certain time, they may have had to wait 2 hours and go to the back of the queue.

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#2860769 2-Feb-2022 16:27

Batman: Tonga goes into lockdown

Iirc they didn't have cases until the international helpers landed to help with the volcano event

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/south-pacific/127660964/covid19-tongans-rush-to-shops-in-preparation-for-lockdown-after-positive-cases

They seem pretty highly vaccinated, so I wonder what they end plan is.

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