2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2860775 2-Feb-2022 16:41

tdgeek:

Whats the expected measures when it becomes rampant in NZ or any area here?

Extended mask wearing and reduced premises numbers? Thats about all we can do under Red?

Didn't the DG say some time ago when Omicron was first announced, that it is possible that some areas may go into some form of lockdown, but it maybe more regional. eg I don't think they wold put all of Auckland into lockdown unless things got really bad. But I am sure some people are now regretting not eliminating delta, as Delta almost looks like it would have died out on it's own, or just simmered away, if it wasn't for Omicron. IMO reducing MIQ to 10 days is likely what has led to this latest outbreak as there are several cases that developed it after they had ended MIQ, but were still within the 14 days, so would have been detected in MIQ if it was still 14 days.

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#2860778 2-Feb-2022 16:45

We had a crack at 7 days MIQ + 3 days at home too - but plenty of people showed they couldn't be trusted to do the right thing once let go home.

One wonders what reaction and outcomes there would be to a further reduction in length of stay.

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#2860784 2-Feb-2022 16:58

@mattwnz:

freitasm:

I tried changing from next Thursday to this Friday. Places around here don't seem to have any slot until later the week after so I will try a walk-in on Friday morning.

I just hope that people with bookings get priority over walkins. Last time they reduced the time period, they didn't, so even though someone arrived and booked in at a certain time, they may have had to wait 2 hours and go to the back of the queue.

Interesting because what I've heard - and read here in Geekzone before - is that bookings had priority and were moved to top of the queue.

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#2860787 2-Feb-2022 17:06

mentalinc:

yeah understand that.

I'm not really interested in what "could be better" for the population. I'm interested in what is best for me and my personal health outcomes based on the testing and science - so I can make an informed discussion on should I get a booster at 6 months, 4 months or 3 months. Or maybe even 2 months in a few weeks time when they change their mind again (it's only been 43 days since the change from 6 to 4 months - yes I understand we learn more every day - and that's what I'm asking to see)

Otherwise we're in a race to the bottom, next time there is a new strain we'll may need monthly boosters.. cause its best to have everyone with MAX immunity response?

Have a listen to RNZs The Detail in which they talk to immunologist Professor Graham Le Gro about exactly this. He talks through the science of boosters, and from what he is saying I wont be changing my date at this stage. The science he talks about is around the type of response you get is my specific, ie. better with longer pauses between. If we were flooded with cases then yep, no brainer, but if your 4 month is in 1 week (mine is) then I would wait. Now if you are high risk, ie. over 60 and with co-morbidities then its probably better not to.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018828127/boosting-our-chances-of-dodging-disease

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#2860796 2-Feb-2022 17:31

On the move to a 3 month minimum for boosters, It is only a minimum, so people can individually choose their spacing.

Boosters were trialed at 6 months, and as a general rule, with vaccines it seems that longer dose spacing givers better protection. Obviously this needs any possible better protection needs to be weighed up with the risk of sickness while waiting.

Omicron is here, and we are in a pretty rapid growth phase, could see 10,000 daily cases in roughly 3 weeks. As such, If I hadn't already got my booster, I would be getting it in the two week' or so to do it's magic before we start seeing 5 digit daily case numbers.

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#2860797 2-Feb-2022 17:33

Good move switching to three month gap and having a month of high vaccine drives.

Booked mine for Friday.

I am in good health as best I know, however since I have zero ability to confirm my reaction to the Novel Coronavirus and I am not interested in gambling on some ideal of clinical purity.

I can have a six month gap option to a future booster.

Right now Delta is getting out of control and it is a very dangerous period for health system pressure.

Adding to that pressure because you want some ideal over the actual latest health advice is ultimately in the hands of individuals.

Either way, there is no winning argument for getting omicron on two shots, that is just dumb.

I didn't realise Covid sends you an appointment at your convenience, low numbers or not.

Get boosted. Do something for your country, the essential workers need your help.

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#2860801 2-Feb-2022 17:42

itxtme:

Have a listen to RNZs The Detail in which they talk to immunologist Professor Graham Le Gro about exactly this. He talks through the science of boosters, and from what he is saying I wont be changing my date at this stage. The science he talks about is around the type of response you get is my specific, ie. better with longer pauses between. If we were flooded with cases then yep, no brainer, but if your 4 month is in 1 week (mine is) then I would wait. Now if you are high risk, ie. over 60 and with co-morbidities then its probably better not to.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018828127/boosting-our-chances-of-dodging-disease

in a closed system where the virus does not change, yes. but if you train your elite defense for 6 months to block dan carter and suddenly in 6 months dan carter gets injured and your elite defense sees beauden barrett for the first time. all the 6 months wasted.

in the real world if you wait 6 months you will have a different strain. the best time to unleash your forces in now.

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#2860804 2-Feb-2022 17:59

mattwnz:

freitasm:

I tried changing from next Thursday to this Friday. Places around here don't seem to have any slot until later the week after so I will try a walk-in on Friday morning.

I just hope that people with bookings get priority over walkins. Last time they reduced the time period, they didn't, so even though someone arrived and booked in at a certain time, they may have had to wait 2 hours and go to the back of the queue.

Certainly wasn't the case in the Wairarapa, where people with bookings at the Masterton Vaccination Centre went straight in at their appointment time

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#2860805 2-Feb-2022 18:02

Scott3:

On the move to a 3 month minimum for boosters, It is only a minimum, so people can individually choose their spacing.

Boosters were trialed at 6 months, and as a general rule, with vaccines it seems that longer dose spacing givers better protection. Obviously this needs any possible better protection needs to be weighed up with the risk of sickness while waiting.

Omicron is here, and we are in a pretty rapid growth phase, could see 10,000 daily cases in roughly 3 weeks. As such, If I hadn't already got my booster, I would be getting it in the two week' or so to do it's magic before we start seeing 5 digit daily case numbers.

Bear in mind that was against other strains. Omicron changed the baseline so effectively our two dose vaccine has become a three dose vaccine to be effective against Omicron. Still calling it a booster is a misnomer.

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#2860826 2-Feb-2022 19:29

mentalinc:

yeah understand that.

I'm not really interested in what "could be better" for the population. I'm interested in what is best for me and my personal health outcomes based on the testing and science - so I can make an informed discussion on should I get a booster at 6 months, 4 months or 3 months. Or maybe even 2 months in a few weeks time when they change their mind again (it's only been 43 days since the change from 6 to 4 months - yes I understand we learn more every day - and that's what I'm asking to see)

Otherwise we're in a race to the bottom, next time there is a new strain we'll may need monthly boosters.. cause its best to have everyone with MAX immunity response?

Do what you feel is right for you. For the populous, i.e. spread, its not the same

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#2860827 2-Feb-2022 19:31

mattwnz:

I just hope that people with bookings get priority over walkins. Last time they reduced the time period, they didn't, so even though someone arrived and booked in at a certain time, they may have had to wait 2 hours and go to the back of the queue.

If a change is made, then you will get bottlenecks. Already booked vs the new bookings. I dont see the problem.

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#2860829 2-Feb-2022 19:36

mattwnz:

Didn't the DG say some time ago when Omicron was first announced, that it is possible that some areas may go into some form of lockdown, but it maybe more regional. eg I don't think they wold put all of Auckland into lockdown unless things got really bad. But I am sure some people are now regretting not eliminating delta, as Delta almost looks like it would have died out on it's own, or just simmered away, if it wasn't for Omicron. IMO reducing MIQ to 10 days is likely what has led to this latest outbreak as there are several cases that developed it after they had ended MIQ, but were still within the 14 days, so would have been detected in MIQ if it was still 14 days.

No, no, no. If you want to eliminate, thats easy, shut the borders to EVERYONE, sorted. Elimination was discarded long ago.

Either you want it eliminated so NZ is free from any Covid variant, or you accept the reality. We import a lot of Omicron every day. There is the Boris, let many die, OR the get vaccinated now, there is no middle ground, unless you want it to be rampant as it is elsewhere.

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#2860830 2-Feb-2022 19:41

Batman:

in the real world if you wait 6 months you will have a different strain. the best time to unleash your forces in now.

From want I have read, boosters and overall vaccines reduce the likelihood of variants. Best to go to the TAB and bet now on the booster than roll the dice. That way, if the dice loses get a free roll (extra booster if that becomes the thing)

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#2860831 2-Feb-2022 19:43

cshwone:

Bear in mind that was against other strains. Omicron changed the baseline so effectively our two dose vaccine has become a three dose vaccine to be effective against Omicron. Still calling it a booster is a misnomer.

Agree. Its a booster by official definition. But its a basic, standard third dose, we need more info if it "boosts" or "retains" the protection.

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#2860876 2-Feb-2022 21:46

There are a few dead people who wished they had the boost, not many, buy how many do ya need?

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