2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2872235 21-Feb-2022 20:00

neb:
Batman:

it's called post viral syndrome.

A bit nitpicky, but post viral syndrome is mostly just fatigue and, more rarely, aches and pains, a bit like mild CFS, that's quite different from long Covid, particularly the semi-permanent and permanent damage it causes.

https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-health-advice-public/about-covid-19/long-covid

Some of the most commonly reported symptoms include:

Fatigue
Shortness of breath
Cough
Low mood
Headaches
Difficulty concentrating, cognitive impairment or ‘brain fog’
Chest pain (clinical assessment may be required to investigate the specific cause)
Joint pain
Muscle aches and pains
Muscle weakness (this can be a reported symptom, and may also be clinically measured)
Ongoing changes to smell or taste
Fast-beating or a ‘pounding’ heart
Sleep disturbances

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#2872554 22-Feb-2022 10:40

Paul1977:

cshwone:

My bold. Perhaps it's because the less of it out there the better for vulnerable people and also people needing access to medical services for other life threatening (but not necessarily ICU) treatment such as cancer.

But that's true of any contagious disease. Should we state isolating flu patients? People with common colds?

Perhaps we can compare Covid-19 related restrictions under the traffic light system, with driving on our public roads.

If I wish to take the bus into town,

I should wear my mask on the bus - not sure if this is mandatory under 'Red' conditions or just a strong recommendation.
I should scan in when I board the bus, again probably not mandatory

If I wish to drive into town,

I must have a current registration for my car
I must display my registration plates front and rear
I must have a current warrant of fitness
If my car is highly modified it must have a special compliance certificate
I must have valid drivers licence and I must carry it with me
I must comply with any special conditions of the license, e.g. in my case wearing glasses
I must comply with all general road rules, including speed limits, seat belts and blood alcohol levels
I must comply with specific local rules, such as speeds around schools and road works

Those that fail to comply can be fined or lose their drivers license. For some people, the loss of their drivers license might mean that they also lose their job.

It seems that we are prepared to accept a significant number of restrictions when there is public safety involved.

But of course the road toll in most countries is much smaller than the Covid-19 death rate.

The road death rate in the United States is about 12 people per 100,000 or close to 80,000 people in the US over a two year period. This compares with 1 million excess deaths from Covid-19 in the US since the beginning of the pandemic in 2020.

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#2872565 22-Feb-2022 11:18

College #2 hit

A number of positive covid cases have been identified at Horowhenua College.

While we go through the process of contact tracing, the advice from the Ministry of Education is to move to online learning.

As such, the school is closed as of midnight tonight and for the remainder of this week. This means school is closed on Tuesday 22, Wednesday 23, Thursday 24 and Friday 25 February.

Tomorrow (Tuesday 22), close contacts will be identified and contacted and next steps explained.

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#2872568 22-Feb-2022 11:24

Yeah, that was Onslow College for the last week. They've returned to live classes today.

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#2872569 22-Feb-2022 11:28

In the news today, Britain is lifting pretty much all the restrictions related to Covid at the end of the month, including self isolation, track and trace etc.

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#2872585 22-Feb-2022 11:55

and that we are moving to phase 3 soon

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#2872586 22-Feb-2022 11:56

ACC and long covid, seems it will be a long and tortuous working out what is owed by who to whom.

Concern over support as Air NZ refuses cover to ex-employee
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462028/long-covid-concern-over-support-as-air-nz-refuses-cover-to-ex-employee

You get covid when working, related to your work, but then made redundant.

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#2872623 22-Feb-2022 12:56

This is related to the protestors so I'm not sure its allowed in this thread (because its politics?) I'm sure the mods will move it if its not in the right place.

I was on their Zello channel and recorded this: "hey team, is this true? We've just been down to the medic tent and they've said that government, ah, parliament grounds are putting out radiation waves out [sic] so be careful as they have high amounts of people and young children coming through with migraines and ringing ears."

*facepalm*

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#2872630 22-Feb-2022 13:02

duckDecoy:

This is related to the protestors so I'm not sure its allowed in this thread (because its politics?) I'm sure the mods will move it if its not in the right place.

I was on their Zello channel and recorded this: "hey team, is this true? We've just been down to the medic tent and they've said that government, ah, parliament grounds are putting out radiation waves out [sic] so be careful as they have high amounts of people and young children coming through with migraines and ringing ears."

*facepalm*

Saw that on twitter yesterday. Quite hilarious given radiation is everywhere from many things including the natural environment... oh and their mobile phones!

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#2872637 22-Feb-2022 13:14

This issue happens in Canberra too, they got irradiated by the Govt. Nothing to do with standing for hours in Summer sun though...

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#2872640 22-Feb-2022 13:19

ezbee:
ACC and long covid, seems it will be a long and tortuous working out what is owed by who to whom.

Concern over support as Air NZ refuses cover to ex-employee
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/462028/long-covid-concern-over-support-as-air-nz-refuses-cover-to-ex-employee

You get covid when working, related to your work, but then made redundant.

I didn't think ACC didn't cover illnesses in general, short of maybe inhaling toxic fumes at work, IE and accident.

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#2872729 22-Feb-2022 14:25

Jas777:

Also the evidence from overseas says that mask wearing doesn't have that much effect and even Michael Plank has admitted as much.

With reference to super spreader events does a group of 1000 people outdoors spread anymore than 10 churches with 100 people inside?

There are masks and then there are masks. Prof Baker has said that cloth masks offer little and surgical ones aren't much better, and he was wanting the government to require people wore proper masks, not cloth ones. They did change the rules recently to stop people using bandanas and t-Shirts to cover their mouth but barely.. You need N95 and properly fitted to get some protection. WHen I went to get my boaster at the DHBs centre, I was told to take off my N95 mask and they gave me a surgical mask instead and this was a requirement. Really stupid.

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#2872733 22-Feb-2022 14:41

mattwnz:

... WHen I went to get my boaster at the DHBs centre, I was told to take off my N95 mask and they gave me a surgical mask instead and this was a requirement. Really stupid.

They have their protocols to ensure people are wearing medical grade (or higher) masks.

Should be perfectly acceptable to just wear the medical grade mask on top of your existing mask. A bit disappointing you were asked to remove yours, rather than just layering another on top.

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#2872735 22-Feb-2022 14:43

tdgeek:

A graph here or on another Covid thread shows that Covid is worse than the flu. If you get the flu are your next 20 years potentially governed by permanent flu damage?

Flu is a thing. Is it every year a thing in every country? So every day every country has the flu, people die every day, business shut down or have no customers every day. Governments pay an exorbitant amount ff money every day on subsidies. I dont feel thats the case. But it is right now, for Covid

I don't know what graph you're talking about, but is is specifically related to Omicron, or earlier variants?

tdgeek:

As regards the "flu" comment just above. My Hamilton work colleague has 9 friends of which two are positive. ChCh colleague has two boys at what will soon be a Covid school. Another in ChCh will decline babysitting tonight as the nearby school has two cases. In Winter, when there is flu are we generally bothered?

No.

Its not quite the same

But that's my issue really, many people are indeed really afraid of Omicron yet wouldn't be concerned about the flu at all even though the stats seem to indicate that the flu has a higher mortality rate. Based on the Australian calculator I linked earlier, even if I contract Omicron I have only a 1 in 62,000 chance of dying. I'm not in a high risk group, but I'm not in the lowest risk group either.

I think people became so afraid (perhaps rightfully so) of the original Covid and Delta, that they can't let that fear go, even if it's no longer warranted.

Is there yet any evidence of long Covid resulting from Omicron?

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#2872736 22-Feb-2022 14:48

@Paul1977:

I think people became so afraid (perhaps rightfully so) of the original Covid and Delta, that they can't let that fear go, even if it's no longer warranted.

Is there yet any evidence of long Covid resulting from Omicron?

On the other hand, if you get infected in the current environment, how would you know which variant do you have?

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