2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2896986 5-Apr-2022 01:07

Omicron requires people to also have had the booster in order to get maximum protection against it. The MOH I heard was considering changing the definition of fully vaccinated to those who had also had the booster. I suspect the stats will look very different if comparing fully vaccinated including the booster, with those who have had no vaccination. But vaccinations main benefit is to reduce the severity and keep people out of hospital and putting pressure on the health system. It wasn't designed for these variants specifically.

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#2897156 5-Apr-2022 11:37

New Covid variant:

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/04/03/covid-19-new-xe-variant-possibly-most-transmissible-yet-who/

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#2897160 5-Apr-2022 11:56

Not sure 10%more wild fire added to wildfires going to be any less or worse wildfire :)

But as Dr Faucci on nz interview and a few of us have said for a great part of it all.

Unless even the slower countries get onboard or get assistance from the others to meet the push to lower R. Inevitable the more it's going to happen.

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#2897574 6-Apr-2022 10:56

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/04/dr-ashley-bloomfield-stepping-down-as-director-general-of-health.html

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#2897578 6-Apr-2022 11:05

As someone said a few months back, Dr Bloomfield should not have to pay for a beer ever again.

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#2898923 9-Apr-2022 10:02

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/big-read-fake-news-and-violent-talk-how-extremism-went-mainstream/DBZK5YCI76ZV5PEBTDM3UHK6HY/ (paywalled)
A look at mis/disinformation around the pandemic, the people (I would use the word "idiots") behind it, and what, if anything can be done about it.

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#2898994 9-Apr-2022 11:37

Isn't it a strange shift.

We seem to have vocal 'its only a cold, the flu kills 500/yr'. Seemingly now that the campaign is under way 'I don't need the flu jab thanks, never had it' or 'ill rely on my natural immunity...'

/Facepalm/

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#2899383 10-Apr-2022 11:56

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/128296235/just-asking-questions-how-lawyer-sue-grey-became-the-hero-of-new-zealands-conspiracy-underbelly

An interview with one of the louder antivaxx, anti-mandate, anti-any damn thing she doesn't like, lawyer (I use the term very loosely) Sue Grey. The sooner this nutjob gets struck off the better.

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#2899642 11-Apr-2022 01:47

Oblivian: Isn't it a strange shift.

We seem to have vocal 'its only a cold, the flu kills 500/yr'. Seemingly now that the campaign is under way 'I don't need the flu jab thanks, never had it' or 'ill rely on my natural immunity...'

/Facepalm/

The thing about the flu is not everyone gets it and it isn't anywhere near as contagious as Covid. Also people don't appear to get 'Long Covid' like post viral syndromes with the flu. Whereas Covid is very contagious, and if you have school children, then it is more than likely that you will end up with covid in your household, and then the whole family getting it, unless you are very careful and can separate people and have good ventilation etc.

Plus I don't think people tend to get the flu upto 4-6 times a year, and the flu vaccine will generally protect for a year, while the covid vaccine seems to wear off after a number of months before needing to be boosters. I know people who are perfectly happy to get the covid vaccine due to the pandemic, but have never, and will never get the flu vaccine.

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#2899659 11-Apr-2022 07:18

Well aware of all of that

But do you not see the irony in morons after 2 years of trying to prevent heath issues, not realising you can use the same measures as covid to actively prevent deaths from the very thing they use as their defence to say its worse..

1.9m doses a year only. And it still doesn't open their eyes why many are fatal.

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#2899821 11-Apr-2022 12:59

Oblivian: Well aware of all of that

But do you not see the irony in morons after 2 years of trying to prevent heath issues, not realising you can use the same measures as covid to actively prevent deaths from the very thing they use as their defence to say its worse..

1.9m doses a year only. And it still doesn't open their eyes why many are fatal.

So we should wear masks forever to protect us from everything? Have government mandated isolation for getting the flu? In a bad flu seasons people should be mandated to get the flu vaccine or risk losing their jobs?

From a societal perspective, when does the "cure" become worse than the disease? I for one don't want to spend the rest of my life having to put a mask on every time I go to an indoor venue.

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#2899837 11-Apr-2022 13:33

@Paul1977:

So we should wear masks forever to protect us from everything? Have government mandated isolation for getting the flu? In a bad flu seasons people should be mandated to get the flu vaccine or risk losing their jobs?

From a societal perspective, when does the "cure" become worse than the disease? I for one don't want to spend the rest of my life having to put a mask on every time I go to an indoor venue.

Some people in Asian countries wore masks even before this pandemic. Is wearing a mask worse than the disease it prevents?

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#2899849 11-Apr-2022 14:26

I clearly overlooked the bit where I suggested it continues and we wear them full-time

Nope.. seems I never said that. Vaccination is a measure. Not coughing at work is a measure. Thinking, should I really see Nana in the rest home with this snot out my nose - is a measure.

We have people doing the daily. Suggesting the last 2 years has been a waste of time due to 'the flu kills more people' a year. And when there is an outbreak, it sure has mortality.

We have over 5 million? doses given out of covid jab. And still mortality within boundaries. The majority have learnt you can get vaccines for preventable diseases ( and try not coughing on others). And consideration of your actions when sick. And it can make an impact.

(We eliminated last 2 flu season due to no importation and thinking that way right?)

Annually distribute only ~1.9m flu jabs. And still have about 500 deaths. Presume partly due cost, partly 'she'll be right '

Yet Now, going by interaction seen on 'get your flu jab' messaging, groups of people (and names seen on both campaigns) that compared covid to the flu as their early line of why they don't need covid jab (imparting the flu is worse/500 mortality 'is ok' or should perhaps be addressed). Switch to saying the flu jab is also a waste of time.

One hand - Happy to use associated death rate in their favour.
Other hand - Sudden lack of thought the death rate they used in their favour has a vaccination plan too.

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#2899863 11-Apr-2022 15:01

freitasm:

Some people in Asian countries wore masks even before this pandemic. Is wearing a mask worse than the disease it prevents?

That depends on the disease. In relation to Omicron in NZ, looking at the numbers (for me personally) I'd say yes. Immunocompromised people can still choose to wear proper N95 masks (and I think the govt should fund these), and these should be made available for people visiting immunocompromised people as well.

I think the whataboutism argument about how many the flu kills is actually very relevant, despite what other posters suggest. The vast majority of NZ society would rather risk getting the flu than wear a mask every day (as demonstrated by the fact that, before Covid, people here very seldom wore them). With the numbers how they are now in NZ (and our very high vaccination rate) I simply don't understand why Omicron is still being treated how it is.

Add to that questionable efficacy of non-n95 masks against Omicron.

This is a serious question: do any of the posters who are frustrated by the arguments that they see as minimising the dangers of Covid believe that masks should be mandatory during winter to protect against seasonal flu?

If yes, then I understand their position on the continued measures around Omicron and simply disagree. If no, then I don't understand the rationale for the position they're taking.

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#2899871 11-Apr-2022 15:18

Oblivian: I clearly overlooked the bit where I suggested it continues and we wear them full-time

Nope.. seems I never said that. Vaccination is a measure. Not coughing at work is a measure. Thinking, should I really see Nana in the rest home with this snot out my nose - is a measure.

We have people doing the daily. Suggesting the last 2 years has been a waste of time due to 'the flu kills more people' a year. And when there is an outbreak, it sure has mortality.

We have over 5 million? doses given out of covid jab. And still mortality within boundaries. The majority have learnt you can get vaccines for preventable diseases ( and try not coughing on others). And consideration of your actions when sick. And it can make an impact.

(We eliminated last 2 flu season due to no importation and thinking that way right?)

Annually distribute only ~1.9m flu jabs. And still have about 500 deaths. Presume partly due cost, partly 'she'll be right '

Yet Now, going by interaction seen on 'get your flu jab' messaging, groups of people (and names seen on both campaigns) that compared covid to the flu as their early line of why they don't need covid jab (imparting the flu is worse/500 mortality 'is ok' or should perhaps be addressed). Switch to saying the flu jab is also a waste of time.

One hand - Happy to use associated death rate in their favour.
Other hand - Sudden lack of thought the death rate they used in their favour has a vaccination plan too.

Re continued mask wearing after Covid: I didn't say you suggested it, I asked if you thought that it should happen as it seemed like it might be the logical conclusion to some of your arguments.

I agree that saying the last 2 years has been a waste of time shows complete ignorance of what has actually happened. But those on the other side of the fence who don't want the measures to go seem reluctant to look objectively at the numbers we are seeing right now.

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