NZ COVID Tracer app for Android and iOS

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#2525000 17-Jul-2020 21:49

I am surprised at the number of people who don't already have records of where they've been. For social occasions - e.g. going out for dinner or having visitors at home - I would always have that in my diary anyway. For more casual things like buying lunch during the week I would have my bank records to refer to.

Yes, I understand that there is an advantage to the tracing app in that it can provide notifications but I can't see any benefits beyond that.

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#2525021 17-Jul-2020 22:39

If pressed, I'd have a bit of difficulty recalling all the people I've interacted with or places I've been in the last month or more. I don't keep a dairy.

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#2525032 17-Jul-2020 23:51

alasta:

I am surprised at the number of people who don't already have records of where they've been. For social occasions - e.g. going out for dinner or having visitors at home - I would always have that in my diary anyway. For more casual things like buying lunch during the week I would have my bank records to refer to.

Yes, I understand that there is an advantage to the tracing app in that it can provide notifications but I can't see any benefits beyond that.

Easy to remember for me, but then I spend 90% of my time either alone or with my wife at the moment!

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#2525036 18-Jul-2020 00:51

Jase2985:

just because it works for you doesnt mean it works for everyone else

i tried to scan in at bowling tonight, open the app click scan hold it over the MOH QR code, nothing, try again nothing.

Ive got a brand new phone on android 10. go figure.

What's the in-app version? The initial release if not updated from day 0, had a bug that had some form of session cookie that died after 30 days. End result - no scanning QRs, History crash. For LOTs of people.

The tell-tale was a standard barcode app would have no issues (also the way to diagnose if said site has boobed up and malformed their QR scaling it)

Most would give up then, the rest took heed - You needed to log out and log back in again between updating it to recycle the session

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#2525052 18-Jul-2020 08:34

alasta:
Yes, I understand that there is an advantage to the tracing app in that it can provide notifications but I can't see any benefits beyond that.

Perhaps stopping helping NZ going back into lockdown like so many other countries
Edit added stopping!

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#2525053 18-Jul-2020 08:39

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morrisk: So the question is what happens when they announce that someone was shopping at your local supermarket 10 days ago or was at a local bar last Wednesday evening has tested positive for COVID-19?

All six people who scanned in using the app get notified, the other 2,994 have to be traced manually.

(That's not a joke, that's what an adoption rate of 0.2% gets you).

Your calculations are right. So let’s fix this. Doesn’t need the MoH. We need to use it. Agree it is not working for all but it does work for most. The problem is we are not using it. Most of us can so let’s do it.

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#2525061 18-Jul-2020 09:45

morrisk: So the question is what happens when they announce that someone was shopping at your local supermarket 10 days ago or was at a local bar last Wednesday evening has tested positive for COVID-19? Can you remember your movements? Do you have a personal diary to check?

Google Maps timeline.

Pick a date, pick a time, I can tell you where I was.

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#2525064 18-Jul-2020 09:51

I love the responses here who are negative towards the app either consist of:
- I can track my own movements so don’t need the app.
- Why don’t we adopt another completely unproven technology for hundreds of millions as the current one doesn’t work.
- Why don’t more people use the app it’s a failure of the app from being user friendly enough.

Humans by nature are lazy so no one will use it out of choice, much like seatbelts in the car people just need to get into the habit of using it whenever they go out and about. It’s really not difficult.

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#2525076 18-Jul-2020 10:22

BarTender: I love the responses here who are negative towards the app either consist of:
- I can track my own movements so don’t need the app.
- Why don’t we adopt another completely unproven technology for hundreds of millions as the current one doesn’t work.
- Why don’t more people use the app it’s a failure of the app from being user friendly enough.

Humans by nature are lazy so no one will use it out of choice, much like seatbelts in the car people just need to get into the habit of using it whenever they go out and about. It’s really not difficult

And I wonder what would some people say if the MoH actually recommended people wear masks in New Zealand... Likely the same people who wanted a bubble with Australia last month would be screaming against it. And people who are lazy enough to open the app and scan would echo that.

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#2525091 18-Jul-2020 11:08

freitasm:

And I wonder what would some people say if the MoH actually recommended people wear masks in New Zealand... Likely the same people who wanted a bubble with Australia last month would be screaming against it. And people who are lazy enough to open the app and scan would echo that.

I'll happily wear a mask, but would probably not bother if every time I put it on it broke or fell off.

And that was my experience with the official Covid app. I was critical of its implementation, but I did try to persevere with it as a user nonetheless, even though very few locations displayed a QR code. Some did, however, and the final straw: the last three consecutive times I attempted to scan at separate locations, it failed to read the official QR code. My phone was running the latest version of android, the app was fully up-to-date. Uninstalled.

Google maps timeline. It just works.

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#2525131 18-Jul-2020 11:14

dafman:

Google maps timeline. It just works.

It works but it is really only ONE thing to consider. For example, the COVID app stores the locations you visited in its internal database. If there's a cluster, the MoH can push a message to the app with a location or series of locations and if any is on your database the app will give you a notification.

You can then approach the MoH (or upload the data) and when they ask for more information you can get your famous Google Maps and tell them "This is where I was during the day on that day".

You can only see the data from Google Maps but it's not easy to keep your attention at high alert every day, waiting for a bulletin in the news "If you think you were in such and such places on the 20th please come forward" when there's an app that could make things a lot faster from the start.

So yes, Google Maps works but it should really be one of the tools you use, not the only tool.

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#2525139 18-Jul-2020 11:46

I walked into a store this morning who has taped the QR printed out to the floor. It was a simple and effective way to get people to use it and it worked for me holding my phone at waist height. Hand my phone in my hand facing down and just opened the app and it scanned on my way in.

Laziness is the only excuse, unless you have vision problems.

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#2525173 18-Jul-2020 13:47

BarTender: Laziness is the only excuse, unless you have vision problems.

The MoH app refusing to scan the MoH's own QR codes or the store not having a QR code up is the major reason, not laziness. Most of the time you can't use the app no matter how much you want to.

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#2525174 18-Jul-2020 13:48

But please use when you can.

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#2525182 18-Jul-2020 14:06

I do use the app, but I fined there are quite a few official QR posters my phone will either not scan at all or it takes a few goes. For the ones my phone wont scan I often fined the Ripple app will.

The local Mitre 10 is a good example. Works on the posters at one door but not the other door. Ripple app works at both.

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