2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2444197 22-Mar-2020 22:24

DarthKermit:

My sister can't come up for her birthday next week because some selfish retards at her work came back into the country and chose not to self-isolate.

If by "coming up" you mean going from one city/region to another, I hate to break this to you: if you are going to call out others for being selfish, the government is also asking that people minimise non-essential travel. A birthday celebration for your sister probably isn't essential.

A friend (with two young kids) just received information from their GP practice that one utter moron with symptoms (since diagnosed as Covid-19 positive) went into the clinic despite all the warnings and exhortations not to. The authorities should prosecute this person and do their utmost to have him or her sent to jail.

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#2444198 22-Mar-2020 22:25

tdgeek:

Ive been stating that all the numbers that we see each day at 1pm are due to the incoming flights, aka importing the virus. The doom and gloom I see is what would exist if each day the new cases we see that are now 67 are all CT, proving that its running wild here. As the media stated today we have cases in the length and breadth of NZ. If that was all CT we have a problem. But they are cases we are happy to import. Its not up to me to decide that we tell overseas Kiwis, sorry tough bickies. A call was made to get Kiwis home. I accept that, but the issue is, all the new cases are that source, not CT. If all cases to date are imports and not CT then IMHO its being managed. When these dry up, and Ill check incoming flights tomorrow, then we won't need to test 1500 a day that are traveller based. Same with not needing to close contact the traveller cases that test positive. All of that resource will be on CT tests. Right now, there might be TWO CT's.

You are obsessed with CT. I guarantee you we have CT ... but we will only know in 2 weeks when there's an outbreak. I just hope it doesn't overload the health system. Check back in 2 weeks!

Why do I say that - a GP on one of the feeds say that it is Ministry of health directive that they are only allow to test people related to travel.

They have treated umpteen community people with suspected Covid but not allowed to test because they don't meet the MOH policy - and they just presume they have and instrust those pt to self isolate. So they know that CT is happening but they are not allowed to do the test on them.

I'm very happy to be wrong and we don't have an outbreak, that would be a win.

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#2444199 22-Mar-2020 22:30

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hio77: I'm shocked at how passive some folk are.

My grandparents are having a family friend fly up. A major risk in itself. But they are also going out every day for coffees etc like it's a normal day.

They both are in that high risk bracket. Not just because of age. I've personally been avoiding visiting them due to taking public transport and thus being quite plausible to get it through community transmission.
I'm shocked. I've got no idea what to even say to make it sink in :/

from what i've observed people get their information and advice on social media, and then do whatever they feel like.

wonder why lockdown in china works, lockdown in italy did f all.

I just googled "did people ignore lockdown in italy"

The first result was this one:
Italian breaks lockdown laws to play Pokémon Go

The second result:
Italy charges more than 40,000 people with violating lockdown

I'd like to think NZ is going to be better when the time comes, but I wouldn't put money on it right now. I believe the Italians are going to use the Army now.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/20/europe/italy-military-coronavirus-intl/index.html

Did anyone have a successful lockdown without the Army in use?
Perhaps we would need the Army on the streets to implement Alert Level 4 in this country too - hope not.

Meanwhile in the United States:

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#2444200 22-Mar-2020 22:30

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Australia's includes "Supermarkets, petrol stations, pharmacies, convenience stores, freight and logistics, and home delivery will be among the many services that will remain open.

May not be exactly that here, but any business, while it must be physically closed to the public, can operate online. Supports for that can be online, i.e. IT support

Not all support can be provided remotely.

I suspect a fair number of our clients will be home from this week onward, Government alert level or not, so the risk to us onsite is low. We have cancelled all face to face meetings that are possible to be run via video conference or call. Clients have been on the whole, very understanding.

I am just not sure, if they move to Level 4, could my staff attend a physical issue onsite if required? I assume so. Is having 1 person at the office permissible? Assuming they go Home > Office > Home, the risk is basically zero.

If the measure is closed to the public, then, in theory, yes since we don't really get the public in our office anyway.

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#2444201 22-Mar-2020 22:32

I have been playing a bit of Division 2, and that video feels unsettling...

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#2444206 22-Mar-2020 22:43

DarthKermit:

My sister can't come up for her birthday next week because some selfish retards at her work came back into the country and chose not to self-isolate.

My dad is going to self-isolate because the selfish prick who owns the local country pub where he lives came back into the country and also chose not to isolate himself.

Idiots.

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#2444210 22-Mar-2020 22:48

I've largely refrained from posting in this thread as I find it depressing and I suspected (since confirmed) that a close reading of it will result in me becoming aggravated by the ignorance by some of the most elementary and fundamental advice (see the example of a poster calling out others' refusal to self-isolate whilst apparently suggesting that it was perfectly fine for another family member to have non-essential travel). My wife is an ER/emergency medicine specialist. We've made the difficult decision to live in separate properties and absolutely refrain from meeting each other as we both know that she's far more valuable commodity than I am during these times (people will survive without commercial, contractual and legal compliance advice) and frankly being near someone at home of itself inevitably elevates her risk.

She's also chosen to practically forgo any kind of social life and is just going straight home after work, except for any essential shopping that needs to be done in person/can't wait (yes, people occasionally forget things after insanely long shifts). I know another couple where one person is an intensive care senior registrar who are doing the same. We aren't saying we are heroes or are very special. But understand that we've freely chosen to take steps well beyond the kind of personal inconvenience and sacrifice expected of any average person and we and others are ready to do more.

There are a lot of posters on GZ who are never shy about wanting to bay for the blood of any criminal or perceived violator of social norms. It pays to remember this: if anyone doesn't follow the health advisories, you really need to understand that you might indirectly cause an important healthcare worker from being knocked out of circulation for two weeks and the resultant impact might be a lot of delayed care or worse. At worst, you could be directly responsible for someone you care about dying. It's not business as usual - you won't die if you go without a pint, don't go to a party, or miss your weekly coffee date with [insert name].

I'm out.

Edit: made a point slightly clearer....

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#2444214 22-Mar-2020 22:52

These are trying times folks. Some really don't seem to grasp the seriousness of these events.

Thanks @dejadeadnz for the reminder.

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#2444215 22-Mar-2020 22:55

networkn:

Not all support can be provided remotely.

I suspect a fair number of our clients will be home from this week onward, Government alert level or not, so the risk to us onsite is low. We have cancelled all face to face meetings that are possible to be run via video conference or call. Clients have been on the whole, very understanding.

I am just not sure, if they move to Level 4, could my staff attend a physical issue onsite if required? I assume so. Is having 1 person at the office permissible? Assuming they go Home > Office > Home, the risk is basically zero.

If the measure is closed to the public, then, in theory, yes since we don't really get the public in our office anyway.

The short answer during lock down should be you are SOL unless you get an exemption from the authorities. If that disrupts business then bad luck.

Unfortunately people can't be trusted so shouldn't be.

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#2444217 22-Mar-2020 22:56

freitasm:

These are trying times folks. Some really don't seem to grasp the seriousness of these events.

Thanks @dejadeadnz for the reminder.

For every d-head there are dozens of people doing truly amazing work and making huge sacrifices (with politicians and civil servants being among them).

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#2444218 22-Mar-2020 22:59

gchiu:

freitasm:

@Fred99 @gchiu I have removed a batch of your posts. Stop bickering.

Misinformation, information without basis, helpful information that is not ready for consumption should not be dished out in an Internet forum. There are Facebook groups for this

Duly noted. I'll be good and head back to the medical forums.

Any chance of a link? Masochism.

Thankyou for candid opinion. Yes I have the remote lifestyle block already. Aware that skin SCC was still a risk, hence vit D supplementation; internal tumor is more the psychological bogyman. Life has been outrageous though a tad too interesting for my liking... have come close to death many times in almost every conceivable way. Guns, germs, steel, cars, bandits, avalanches, blah blah it's a long list. A white shark had a go at me kayaking just last week; third close shave with the grey suits. Strength in adversity and all... but it's not easy to see any permutation of future which is particularly relaxed or enjoyable. However predation is beneficial overall.

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#2444220 22-Mar-2020 23:06

When the army is called, we need its doctors, mobile hospitals, nurses, supply companies, helping hands and stewards (MP) - everything else is nonsense and unnecessary. Whoever sends tanks didn't understand anything.

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#2444223 22-Mar-2020 23:17

Singapore will shut borders. no non residents to transit or enter

https://www.rappler.com/world/regions/asia-pacific/255454-singapore-tourist-ban-coronavirus-cases-rise-march-2020

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#2444225 22-Mar-2020 23:27

My wife just IMed me and said that another hospital colleague of hers (a head of department) has, with the agreement of her spouse, made him effectively a single parent for an indeterminate period partly for the reasons that I explained earlier and partly because of the many, many ongoing violations of the health advisories by the parents and student body of her children's school, in addition to the wider public at large.

IMO, the responses by the government probably have been lacking in rigour in some respects. But in a liberal democracy, government responses reflect (at least to some degree) the social mores. If people just won't make any sacrifices, it's all a bit rich to demand more robust/forward looking solutions from the outset that would require sacrifices that far exceed the relatively low level ones that a sizable minority do not appear willing to make currently in order to succeed. There's really only two ways I see this thing turning out: either we're going to get a lot of unnecessary suffering or deaths or you're going to see the authorities starting to crackdown on the violators or even those who're "just" a public health risk (e.g. Kiwis recently arriving back from overseas) in a fashion that will be quite a shock, e.g. compulsory detention. Understand this: this is not a country with a constitution that trumps the will of parliament. When things get bad enough, it only takes a majority of parliament to pass a law before, say, everyone who violates self-isolation requirements are compulsorily jailed. I am not wishing for that outcome -- all that I am saying is in addition to obvious health-related outcomes/concerns, what kind of society we are going to have is also in the hands of everyone.

People in places like Hong Kong and Singapore have made sacrifices far greater than what Kiwis are currently being asked to endure to get their situations far more under control. If we can't/won't get this simple idea through our heads, there's no helping us.

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#2444229 22-Mar-2020 23:56

Yup, we are in a similar position here of potentially isolating my wife (also a doctor) from myself and the kids at some stage pretty soon.

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