Curious if anyone here does keto/carnivore?

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#2676730 18-Mar-2021 21:13

Asrafrate: Also not to be rude but I still think the Okinawan diet is not predominantly carb based. I've had friends who've visited. Read accounts of itthat haven't been biases blogs etc. It's a mix of carbs and meat.

They eat mostly kumara/ sweet potato over there as well as rice but small portions of rice.They eat very little in the way of processed sugar but they eat a lot of fruit especially melons. Also legumes are common as well as herbs and seaweed.

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#2676753 18-Mar-2021 22:02

Lias:

I'm a long way from going full keto, but I've lost about 10kg in the last 2 months by lowering my carb, booze and sugar intake and keeping a food diary with an approx. calorie count. Not eliminating anything (still have booze, just less, still have junk food, just less of it and less often) makes it a heck of a lot easier to stick to the plan.

IMO the best sort of diet is one that doesn't require radical changes to what you're used to, instead only requiring small and tolerable adjustments.

Having a drastic diet that is too difficult to adhere to too often leads to throwing up you hands and saying "ah screw it, I messed up, let's go eat a tub of ice-cream and wallow in self-pity."

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#2676807 19-Mar-2021 07:53

Gerg:

If you're looking at diet from the perspective of long term health or longevity as opposed to just solely weight loss then best people to research are the Okinawans who have the longest life expectancy and the highest number of centenarians. Looking at their diet it is around 90% plant based, little to no red meat, a little bit of fish. I think Keto can be useful for short term weight loss if you've come from a diet of pizza and soda but it riles me a little bit to hear some Keto tell people that you shouldn't be eating those apples and oranges but rather better to eat a packet of butter instead...

it's not just the food you eat - how much you eat, how much you exercise, how much you sleep, how much stress in your life and most importantly what genes you carry.

so if a keto person wants to do keto who is to judge. i'm obviously suspicious about the lack of plants and reliance on gluconeogenesis but each to their own.

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#2676864 19-Mar-2021 09:02

Asrafrate:

Batman: I'd suggest that eating only red meat and fat and abstaining from fruits plants vege etc is more likely to kill someone in the long run than making them live longer. At least you won't die of diabetes if the blogs are correct.

How exactly do you think it will kill someone? :)

"is more likely to kill someone in the long run"

Well, in the long run there is a 100% chance of everyone dying...

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#2676866 19-Mar-2021 09:03

Batman: There's another word, inflammation. This is known to kill people in the long run but i don't know if red meat and fat causes that.

I'd suggest checking the foods you eat against these 2 words inflammation and antioxidant. But hey I'm afraid if the blogs say something out doesn't necessarily mean they are pro / anti inflammation / oxidation in one's body.

Also how long someone lives is more than just these 2 things but maybe it might help some people

This post right here is wrong.

"There's another word, inflammation. This is known to kill people in the long run but i don't know if red meat and fat causes that."

If you don't know, don't throw it around.

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#2676876 19-Mar-2021 09:17

Well I don't know, that's true but I'll link an article here. I don't want to put off keto people because who knows if the harvard guys are correct, but here's the article which seems to say what I think I said

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/understanding-acute-and-chronic-inflammation

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#2676878 19-Mar-2021 09:20

Batman: Well I don't know, that's true but I'll link an article here. I don't want to put off keto people because who knows if the harvard guys are correct, but here's one article

https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/understanding-acute-and-chronic-inflammation

And skimming that article it says excess fat is not good and the only mention of meat is in this paragraph (and it's not "meat" but "processed meat"): "For instance, cut back or eliminate foods high in simple sugars like soda, fruit juices with added sugars, sports drinks, processed meat, and refined carbs like white bread and pasta. "These foods can spike blood sugar levels, which can lead to overeating and weight gain," says Dr. Shmerling."

Again, it does not seem directly related.

To me it sounds more like trying to find something, anything. That's not how it works.

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#2689552 8-Apr-2021 19:35

Interesting topic to read. It is difficult as there are so many conflicting views and studies on this, I know from my experience Keto was just to hard, I love bread, and potatoes, so ended up cheating an awful lot. But it did help with various things I was aiming for, less bloating, more energy, weight loss.

But I was always seeing conflicting studies on what we should or shouldn't eat. For every study saying you shouldn't eat something there is another claiming it's the cure to cancer.

In the end I decided it's probably just best to have a bit of everything. I'm doing intermittent fasting now, for the past eight months. One meal a day, same results as Keto, and if anything I'm eating healthier as I'm making the effort to get better food into that one meal. I would say I feel better than when I was doing Keto. There is normally a 30 minute period around lunch time where I get a little hungry, but it isn't bad and passes quickly. I still go run or hike in the evening before dinner, which can be like 20 hours since eating, so I'm not running on empty, but you got to find what works for you, if you like bread and potatoes then don't do Keto, find something you can still eat food to enjoy.

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#2699447 29-Apr-2021 09:53

Intuitively, intermittent fasting makes sense to me. Reducing the amount of food you eat and increasing duration between eating gives your digestive organs opportunity to rest/recover. I've been doing 16/8 IF for three years now (no food before 12pm each day).

Intuitively, carnivore diet does not make sense to me. My view is that our bodies have evolved over thousands of years to eat a variety of foods for our nutritional needs. Eating just meat, to the exclusion of everything else, is denying your body the essential nutrients that it has been designed to run on.

Just my 2 cents worth, each to their own.

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