clinty: A very good ( but long) article from Charlie Mitchell (Science reporter) in Stuff

He spent three weeks in the NZ anti vaxx online community

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300397872/covid19-three-weeks-inside-a-rabbit-hole-of-dangerous-misinformation

He covers alot of ground and provides reasons behined why anti vaxx think what they do. Also provides information and links to debunk some of the more prevalent theories

Clint

Read in bed this morning - very interesting and worrying too.

It is these people that are going to keep us in lockdown/s. Even that escapee idiots mother says to throw the book at him.

clinty: A very good ( but long) article from Charlie Mitchell (Science reporter) in Stuff

He spent three weeks in the NZ anti vaxx online community

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300397872/covid19-three-weeks-inside-a-rabbit-hole-of-dangerous-misinformation

He covers alot of ground and provides reasons behined why anti vaxx think what they do. Also provides information and links to debunk some of the more prevalent theories

Clint

Came here to post this exact link. 

Well written and easy to digest and gives a pretty good insight into the world of the stupids.

gzt: Are we going to see rna vaccines coming for the common cold and flu? I'm surprised there's not much talk about it.

From the early onset it was indicative that the advancements made with funding and discovery boost that the covid-19 support got, _should_ help give more insight to standardise the development

And the hope was yes, it would help them greatly as the need to adjust for each seasonal variation may be better battled by attacking the proteins not the viral makeup.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/featured_stories/featured_stories_detail/new_rna_technology_could_get_the_flu_vaccine_right_every_year 

Moderna also hopes to close in on trial of their edition.

freitasm:

 

surfisup1000:

 

I don't get why these people go rogue ...  maybe they know they are talking rubbish but enjoy the attention ?

 

 

Money.

 

Yep. It worries me who/what is funding the mis-information campaigns and why. It seems to have quite a bit of money behind it...

I jokingly said to someone quite a while ago, that the antivaxxers were probably the fruits of a Eugenics campaign wanting to improve the human race by wiping out stupid people who didn't believe in science/vaccines. I totally made that up.

But.... Someone/something appears to be funding the mis-information. 

I was quite surprised to see that the UK vaccine regulator is not recommending the covid-19 vaccine to be generally used for kids 12-15.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-updated-advic
e-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15

They note that the benefits of the vaccine exceed the risk for children in this age group, but say the margin in not enough to enough to justify a recommendation.

Oddly they only seem to consider the individual, not wider benefits of reduced transmission.

Note that NZ's regulator medsafe has approved the vaccine for this age group.

TeaLeaf: Is there a link I can follow re the development of vax variant boosters and their progress? Are non mRNA vaccines still aiming to do similar? (I saw a video interviewing a rep from Sinvac and their belief on its speed to market for variants, but not sure I trusted that video)

For NZ, the most relevant is progress by pfizer / Biontec

They have released that they are developing a delta specific booster / vaccine, but little information on progress is available.

I suspect they want the orders for their current Conformity vaccine orders / shipments to keep flowing (incl 3rd doses), until they are ready to move on the delta specific formulation.

Next big bit of info out of pfizer is the results of the 5-11 year age group trial. Hopefully this should come this month.

Scott3:

 

They have released that they are developing a delta specific booster / vaccine, but little information on progress is available.

 

robjg63:

 

But.... Someone/something appears to be funding the mis-information. 

Scott3:

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-updated-advic
e-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15

 

They note that the benefits of the vaccine exceed the risk for children in this age group, but say the margin in not enough to enough to justify a recommendation.

 

Oddly they only seem to consider the individual, not wider benefits of reduced transmission.

 

"For the vast majority of children, SARS-CoV-2 infection is asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic and will resolve without treatment."

Is that still true for delta?

Re transmission, i thought vaccination doesn't affect transmission of delta?

TeaLeaf: Is there a link I can follow re the development of vax variant boosters and their progress? Are non mRNA vaccines still aiming to do similar? (I saw a video interviewing a rep from Sinvac and their belief on its speed to market for variants, but not sure I trusted that video)

i think you will find that this is commercially sensitive information plus they need trials and data. the first 2 doses of Pfizer had only just gotten full FDA approval ?last 2 weeks and all the others are still on emergency provisional approval or something like that.

people inc us are still trying to give the first 2 doses, and boosters are not so important at the moment.

get your 2 doses, and see what variants are out there in 6 months, then look at boosters.

Batman:

 

"For the vast majority of children, SARS-CoV-2 infection is asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic and will resolve without treatment."

 

Is that still true for delta?

 

Yes

Handle9:

 

Batman:

 

"For the vast majority of children, SARS-CoV-2 infection is asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic and will resolve without treatment."

 

Is that still true for delta?

 

 

Yes

 

Citation?

Posted by @Handle9 in another thread, this is very topical (NSFW language).