People aged 14 and under will never be able to legally purchase tobacco.

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#2829860 10-Dec-2021 11:36

I wonder what will happen when the minimum age is up to 40 or so. Will the tobacco companies decide it is just too small a market and just pull out completely.

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#2829864 10-Dec-2021 11:48

Varkk:

I wonder what will happen when the minimum age is up to 40 or so. Will the tobacco companies decide it is just too small a market and just pull out completely.

Hopefully.

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#2829902 10-Dec-2021 12:50

Tobacco companies should have been shown the door well before then. It might take an agreement between the political parties like the anti slapping bill but it needs to happen.

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#2829968 10-Dec-2021 14:01

wellygary:

It is, and the article is very badly written

I think what they are trying to saying the limit will change annually, so that it will become under 15 next year, under 16 the year after than and the age limit keeps rising as those under 14 keep getting older, In 10 years time is will be no under 24yr olds able to buy smokes,

EDIT: its being done by birth date, ie people who are born after XX date will not be able to buy smokes

is argument for decriminalizing cannabis the same argument in banning sales of cigarettes? ie to stop it being sold in black market.

i'm confused.

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#2830005 10-Dec-2021 15:20

Batman:

is argument for decriminalizing cannabis the same argument in banning sales of cigarettes? ie to stop it being sold in black market.

i'm confused.

The argument for decriminalizing cannabis was largely around avoiding pointless criminal convictions for users and making pot more available than meth.

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#2830036 10-Dec-2021 16:33

If I understand the proposal, there'll be nothing to stop a younger person asking an older person to make a purchase on their behalf. Except the inconvenience I suppose.

In time, I would like to see an ever stronger approach where tobacco users must obtain something like a prescription that is personalised to them. This approach would resemble the methadone program.

Tobacco users would be allowed to make a purchase which is only enough for personal consumption.

Such an approach would stop new smokers who meet the age criteria.

I thought the comments from the small shop representative was very self-serving. Yes, you make money from selling dangerous products to customers. Shall we let you sell explosives too?

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#2830042 10-Dec-2021 16:45

trig42:

My read of it was that the age (currently 18) will go up by a year every year. So if you are currently 14 or under, you'll never reach an age that you'll be able to buy tobacco legally.

A good thing, but there will be an even bigger black market.

We've known that smoking causes cancer and heart disease for over 70 years. Anyone still smoking is a brick short of the full load.

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#2830091 10-Dec-2021 19:25

Rikkitic:

frankv:

I suspect comparison to Bhutan is fallacious. We don't have land borders, so smuggling is a completely different problem there.

And we're not depriving existing addicts of their nicotine supply -- they will still be able to buy tobacco legally, but new addicts will not be created (generally speaking, and not legally).

I think it's a brilliant solution. But it will be interesting to see what happens in 10 years time when under-24 tourists will be unable to buy tobacco, and presumably won't be able to import it either.

Right. We don't have land borders so there is no smuggling of meth and other drugs here. Reassuring to know that.

Not having land borders means that smuggling is not an enterprise that a few villagers can do at the weekend or when there's no work available. You need a seaworthy boat or an aircraft, and/or international organised crime.

So we don't have a lot of tobacco smuggling, because there just isn't the money in it. And I doubt that there ever will be, because the demand will reduce every year. Hope that reassures you with respect to tobacco smuggling.

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#2830104 10-Dec-2021 20:06

Many years down the track - I feel sorry for the people selling it asking for ID then trying to doing the math in their head to work out whether the person is of age or not.

In addition we will have 18 year olds working in a dairy somewhere telling a 37 year old they cannot purchase tabacco.

Out of interest are cigars bad? Should these be included?

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#2830171 10-Dec-2021 21:04

I have been thinking that 14 year-olds do dumb things, and I have seen a few in that age bracket who were clearly already addicted. This legislation would force such people to spend their entire lives breaking the law (assuming, of course, they couldn't quit). That seems a little excessive to me.

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#2830172 10-Dec-2021 21:07

WWHeisenberg:

Many years down the track - I feel sorry for the people selling it asking for ID then trying to doing the math in their head to work out whether the person is of age or not.

In addition we will have 18 year olds working in a dairy somewhere telling a 37 year old they cannot purchase tabacco.

Out of interest are cigars bad? Should these be included?

It needn't be difficult, just something like anyone with a DOB later than 1 Jan 2007 can't buy tobacco. No maths involved

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#2831141 13-Dec-2021 08:10

shk292:

WWHeisenberg:

Many years down the track - I feel sorry for the people selling it asking for ID then trying to doing the math in their head to work out whether the person is of age or not.

In addition we will have 18 year olds working in a dairy somewhere telling a 37 year old they cannot purchase tabacco.

Out of interest are cigars bad? Should these be included?

It needn't be difficult, just something like anyone with a DOB later than 1 Jan 2007 can't buy tobacco. No maths involved

In the hospitality industry you sometime see employees using cheat sheets that show the date of birth that makes a person 18 today. Something similar could easily be utilised for tobacco purchases.

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#2832825 15-Dec-2021 13:04

shooting fish in a barrel .
Most of the arguments can be applied to Booze, meat pies & chippies , sugar filled fizzy drinks, butter

Lets at least be honest . Its a minority driving these changes .
Ive seen the stupidty of some of the anti-smoking crowd & the levels of hate they will go to.
It only takes the slight smell of a ciggie in a car park or open area to trigger them

Some smokers actually enjoy their ciggies , just as drinkers enjoy their wine or beer. If they want to smoke, let them do it .
None of the same vitriol over booze . Id rather be around smokers than angry violent drunks .
No ciggie drove anyone to violent rages .

Double standards P*ss me off .
Back in the day I knew a few 24year olds with liver issues due to drinking . No talk of making booze unavailable as years go on .

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#2832827 15-Dec-2021 13:15

MikeAqua:

Batman:

is argument for decriminalizing cannabis the same argument in banning sales of cigarettes? ie to stop it being sold in black market.

i'm confused.

The argument for decriminalizing cannabis was largely around avoiding pointless criminal convictions for users and making pot more available than meth.

The aim was for legalising Cannabis instead of decriminalising. Will be interesting in the future when cannabis is legalised but you aren't allowed to buy a pouch of tobacco to mix it with for a rolly.

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#2832835 15-Dec-2021 13:25

jonb:

The aim was for legalising Cannabis instead of decriminalising.

Good point. It will be interesting to see how smokefree legislation interacts with legalisation of pot (which will eventually come).

Mike

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