Someone has created a card for anti-vaxxers:

Eva888: This article rather deflating in light of NZ following a similar course with Pfizer. Worth reading the entire article. I wish we were given a choice of vaccines as in other countries so that those that prefer a different type could have this option even if it meant paying for them ourselves. I recall Novavax is being considered as a booster shot in NZ.


https://www.science.org/content/article/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delt

*What is clear is that “breakthrough” cases are not the rare events the term implies. As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier. Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 87% were 60 or older. “There are so many breakthrough infections that they dominate and most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated,” says Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology (Technion) who has consulted on COVID-19 for the government. “One of the big stories from Israel [is]: ‘Vaccines work, but not well enough.’”*



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I posted this on another thread. https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated

This article here puts some perspective on the Israeli data. The Pfizer vaccine is actually doing a good job.

Vaccination fact 28 September 2021

Stuff:

 

There are now 1185 cases to date in this outbreak, of which 260 children have been infected which "is significant" Bloomfield says.

 

 

 

78 per cent of those eligible had no vaccinations.

 

4 per cent were fully immunised 

 

 

 

floydbloke:

 

Vaccination fact 28 September 2021

 

Stuff:

 

There are now 1185 cases to date in this outbreak, of which 260 children have been infected which "is significant" Bloomfield says.   78 per cent of those eligible had no vaccinations. 4 per cent were fully immunised 

 

 

While I support Dr Bloomfield's message here,  and it is very true that vaccinations saves lives and reduces infection. 

I think his percentages are wonky as he is essentially claiming that everyone could have gotten a vaccine by the beginning of the outbreak...

The 50+ group could only start booking their vaccinations from 14th August ....We went into lockdown on the 18th...  (https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126016554/covid19-all-over-50s-to-be-offered-vaccine-from-friday)

It wasn't open for everyone till 1 September.... by which point we had 687 cases... 

gzt: Are we going to see rna vaccines coming for the common cold and flu? I'm surprised there's not much talk about it.

But late, but it's the novovax one a combined COVID and Flu shot?

Reuters

I was pointed to this website by someone, there's a lot of (mis?)information there for an average person to confirm the validity of the data. Anyone know if this website is just spreading misinformation?

https://nzdsos

Edit: add hyperlink

siyuan:

 

I was pointed to this website by someone, there's a lot of (mis?)information there for an average person to confirm the validity of the data. Anyone know if this website is just spreading misinformation?

 

OOOOH yes. NZDSOS is 100% mis/disinformation

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125605155/the-doctors-trying-to-hijack-new-zealands-covid19-vaccination-rollout

Most likely, for actual real info, you want this crowd: https://www.doctors-stand-up-for-vaccination.com/

RUKI: 
And here we are, sitting in the time frame when pandemic in NZ is not that horrible yet (!) as in USA or Russia, we have been given free vaccine which I tend to believe is way better than Sputnk, and still there are anti-vaccine propaganda by those who have not yet got Covid, nor lost their loved ones to it. They do not want any kind of protection. That is probably inherited as their parents most likely were also anti any protection if you know what I mean. Should've used a rubber.... We would have less idiots like BT around...

I call it an IQ gap.

But what do I know, some of those people are pretty rich, and can command 10000s of people to give them money and their trust.

So I don't know what to call it.

Being part of cold war generation its interesting to compare Russia with their old best buddy Cuba.
Russia only 29% fully vaccinated and 33% with at least one dose. 

Cuba has gone from nothing to 83% first dose and 45% fully vaccinated ( 3 Doses ) with their own Covid-19 vaccine.
Very quickly to make them one of the most vaccinated places.
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1912

""
The country manufactures eight of the 11 vaccines used in its national immunisation programme, which has eliminated polio, diphtheria, measles, rubella, and whooping cough.13 It also exports hundreds of millions of vaccines a year, including the world’s first meningitis B vaccine,18 to more than 40 countries.14
""

I don't know how much is internal mistrust or that Russia seemed to have been producing a lot of antivax aimed at rest of world that backfired ?

siyuan:

 

I was pointed to this website by someone, there's a lot of (mis?)information there for an average person to confirm the validity of the data. Anyone know if this website is just spreading misinformation?

 

https://nzdsos

 

Edit: add hyperlink

 

@Fred99 might be able to cast some more information, he seems to be extremely up to play with this sort of thing - one of the points they claim is that Ivermectin is a cure, however everything I have read points to that being totally wrong.

Ge0rge:

 

siyuan:

 

I was pointed to this website by someone, there's a lot of (mis?)information there for an average person to confirm the validity of the data. Anyone know if this website is just spreading misinformation?

 

https://nzdsos

 

Edit: add hyperlink

 

 

 

 

@Fred99 might be able to cast some more information, he seems to be extremely up to play with this sort of thing - one of the points they claim is that Ivermectin is a cure, however everything I have read points to that being totally wrong.

 

Any website that promotes Ryan Cole is dodgy in my opinion. 

The Ivermectin cure is slowly falling off the rails. The test results that initially supported the use of Ivermectin are either failing peer reviews or being quietly withdrawn.

Interesting that .com and .co.nz seem to be different - the .com is all misinformation and lunatics. The .co.nz seems to be people promoting the vaccine and using the same main domain name to get the message across to anyone else looking for the .com

(nzdsos.co.nz)

freitasm:

 

Interesting that .com and .co.nz seem to be different - the .com is all misinformation and lunatics. The .co.nz seems to be people promoting the vaccine and using the same main domain name to get the message across to anyone else looking for the .com

 

excellent. sounds like .com came first, .co.nz set up to counter

Ge0rge:

 

@Fred99 might be able to cast some more information, he seems to be extremely up to play with this sort of thing - one of the points they claim is that Ivermectin is a cure, however everything I have read points to that being totally wrong.

 

Disclaimer - I'm not a Dr.

So it made sense when there was no drug to target covid and an expected long delay before something could be developed to look at existing cheap and widely available compounds that had been shown in the past to exhibit possible anti-viral properties and test them in the lab.  Tested in-vitro at maximum sub-lethal concentration. Sure, at those doses Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine showed that they may inactivate the virus in a test tube. The oral dose you'd need to take to achieve that dose rate in vivo would kill you, but you should know that - and it's a very dumb thing to do.

So then small trials get carried out at sub lethal oral doses, who knows if there's deliberate fraud, someone wants fame and glory or it's wishful thinking involved, or maybe just a statistical glitch or probably crappy methodology / study design.  Some of those trials seem to show something.

So then everybody has access to papers that haven't been peer reviewed, and data dredge to convince themselves  that there's been a miracle discovery.  Included in that group are some people who are qualified - "experts" - who for some reason or other backed the wrong horse, and it ends up "in the news".

Then the illusory truth effect kicks in - the very thing that's probably going to destroy civilisation as we know it - in "the information age" where everybody can share an expert opinion about everything.