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  #2764445 21-Aug-2021 17:01
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DS248:

One weakness in the whole system is that the design is based on recording entry to 'public' places whereas for many people, most contact with other people will be at private addresses, etc.


Similarly open spaces like parks, kids playgrounds etc.  One place I do go (less regularly than I should!) is around Orewa Estuary for a run.  In the age of Delta perhaps locations like these need QR codes though not certain how it would work with almost unlimited entry point (not going to stop and scan partway through a timed run).


Better still (& at the risk of a hostile reception), why not just make the system more secure and turn on location tracking in the app?  All data simplified to the min required and properly secured.



Isn't that what the Bluetooth mode is for? (Genuine question)
- You're in a park and you walk past someone coming the opposite direction.
- You both have the app, with the Bluetooth feature switched on.
- The phones do their little handshake and each of them records the other's ID.
- The other person tests positive a few days later. - Their Bluetooth log (in the app) shows that the two phones were in each other's vicinity.

Isn't that how it works?



Yep, with some uncertainty of proximity, and a certain amount of minutes (it aggregates minutes across many cases).

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  #2764446 21-Aug-2021 17:01
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andrewchen:

 

... And lots of people thinking that the govt has a centralised QR code database, possibly because they expect that's what govt would do, possibly because that's how it works in Singapore and Australia.

 

 

 

 

I personally think that would be a good idea - to allow push notification of contact situations.  Even if it was de-personalised to the extent that the data was tagged only to a phone number rather than to a person's name or NHI number.

 

Even prior to the current outbreaks, it seemed app usage was higher in SG & AU than it has been here over the last 6 months or so.  Perceived privacy risks do not seem to have been an inhibitor in those territories. 


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  #2764450 21-Aug-2021 17:10
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Even prior to the current outbreaks, it seemed app usage was higher in SG & AU than it has been here over the last 6 months or so.  Perceived privacy risks do not seem to have been an inhibitor in those territories. 

 

 

Funnily enough, making it essentially mandatory (for higher-risk venues at least) goes a long way towards encouraging uptake. Also worth noting that neither of those jurisdictions use the Apple/Google Bluetooth protocol, which has some impact on system design and decision making around the QR code system.





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  #2764513 21-Aug-2021 19:39
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I'm interested to learn if anyone has tried playing around with the new NFC functionality? I can't find my usual stash of spare NFC tags...


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  #2764525 21-Aug-2021 20:09
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When bus journeys are listed in the LOI tables they currently show only the route eg  Bus 25B City Centre to Blockhouse Bay. However when bus journeys are scanned in the New Zealand covid tracer app, only the bus number is recorded. This means it is difficult to compare one's scanning diary with the LOI listed trips. Presumably it is possible for AT to correlate the specific bus trips with bus numbers from their despatch schedules and return the information in a table. If the bus number could then be added to the LOI table in the address column this would make it easier to check from one's tracer  diary whether one has been exposed and needs to react. Or a tracer could refer to the subject's own diary (if they scanned) to get the bus number for inclusion in the LOI.

 

 

For Auckland buses I'd recommend using a registered AT HOP card. I understand from AT comms about COVID that they use AT HOP data to contact affected people directly. I hope other regions do the same as well.

 

Agree though it'd be useful to have the info in their LOI matching the name showing on QR posters/app dairy just to give people the peace of mind that they had not traveled on the bus connected to an infected person.


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  #2764818 22-Aug-2021 13:24
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Apologies if this has been asked earlier on: Is it possible to integrate the Covid Tracer app with Google Maps Timeline? Would be very useful to fill in the blanks


 
 
 
 

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  #2764849 22-Aug-2021 13:30
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DjShadow:

Apologies if this has been asked earlier on: Is it possible to integrate the Covid Tracer app with Google Maps Timeline? Would be very useful to fill in the blanks



No it isn’t - there are a number of restrictions on us. The valuable bit from scanning is the unique identifier tied to the QR code. Few posts up I highlight why we did this.

Of note the announcement now did not make the COVID tracer app compulsory - but it did make visitor record keeping compulsory. Of course COVID Tracer is an existing way to do it, as is Rippl - it is integrated with our notification system.

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  #2764866 22-Aug-2021 13:54
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We did cringe at that

Short version. People are being crap at giving info to tracers fast/easy.

Fix. Make people keep track more

Result. People don't change current as many think google or bank statements will continue to make this easier. (Even tho it can be harder to find and not an instant processed transaction)

Alas.

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  #2764882 22-Aug-2021 14:38
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Posted this in the Covid discussion (re: the announcement), posting here as well (not in a direct response to any recent posts here)

Many times Google Location has had me at the wrong address, or not picked up that I've been at multiple neighbouring businesses, and it's no good for shopping malls. I've had to correct/add/tweak so many entries.

Not sure why people seem to think it's better than/as good as/a replacement for scanning a QR code.




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  #2764888 22-Aug-2021 14:52
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Stu: Not sure why people seem to think it's better than/as good as/a replacement for scanning a QR code.

 

Probably because it requires less effort on the user's part. The result is less accurate/useful data.


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  #2764890 22-Aug-2021 14:55
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We have today just generated our residential QR scanning code and placed by front door. We are social people who have a lot of visitors so when we drop in Levels and increased mingling is permitted, it will make things easier for our friends and whānau to diarise. The whole process took less than 10 minutes from application to printing to laminating.





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  #2764902 22-Aug-2021 16:08
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FineWine:

 

We have today just generated our residential QR scanning code and placed by front door. We are social people who have a lot of visitors so when we drop in Levels and increased mingling is permitted, it will make things easier for our friends and whānau to diarise. The whole process took less than 10 minutes from application to printing to laminating.

 

 

Where does one go to get a QR code?


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  #2764911 22-Aug-2021 16:35
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FineWine:

 

We have today just generated our residential QR scanning code and placed by front door. We are social people who have a lot of visitors so when we drop in Levels and increased mingling is permitted, it will make things easier for our friends and whānau to diarise. The whole process took less than 10 minutes from application to printing to laminating.

 

Good idea. I trust you laminated in matte instead of gloss. Reflections from glossy laminated ones make it harder to scan.





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  #2764919 22-Aug-2021 16:51
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How do they arrive at the number of scans per day and the number of manual entries per day? Especially since you can scan with your phone off line.





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