2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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Master Geek

#2543697 18-Aug-2020 14:02

What’s the point of the reporters giving the same questions over and over again it’s been answered multiple times testing was in place it was voluntary it’s was taking time to ramp up now it will be mandatory from now on

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#2543707 18-Aug-2020 14:04

PolicyGuy:

Dr Bloomfield said that all the maintenance worker's home and work close contacts have already tested negative

They are the links radiating out from the worker.....

Given there was no contact between the returnee and the worker, there is either another person linking them or a surface contact, both of which had potential to grow new cases,

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#2543709 18-Aug-2020 14:06

wellygary:

DS248:

Now one separate case that is ex quarantine facilities

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/423804/one-auckland-covid-19-case-not-linked-to-cluster

"The sequencing shows a returnee from the US with the same sequence as the maintenance worker was at the Rydges Hotel from 28-31 July before they returned a day three positive test and were immediately moved to the Jet Park quarantine facility on 31 July."

"The person [maintenance worker] returned a positive result for Covid-19 on Sunday 16 August with symptom onset on 11 August."

So we are potentially looking at 1 or maybe 2 links from the returnee to this worker... but hopefully the blanket testing will find if there was any further spread off this chain....

So they were both at Rydges for 4 days, say the worker got infected 31 July, is 11 Aug too long to show symptoms, hence there is one in between? As in your " 1 or maybe 2 links" ?

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#2543710 18-Aug-2020 14:08

Hemi88: What’s the point of the reporters giving the same questions over and over again it’s been answered multiple times testing was in place it was voluntary it’s was taking time to ramp up now it will be mandatory from now on

Its accountability. But often it seems its more about catching someone out than actually discussing health issues re the virus. They make it all sound so easy.

wellygary

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#2543712 18-Aug-2020 14:10

tdgeek:

So they were both at Rydges for 4 days, say the worker got infected 31 July, is 11 Aug too long to show symptoms, hence there is one in between? As in your " 1 or maybe 2 links" ?

Yeah, you tend to display symptoms within 3-5 days, 12 days is a long stretch, hence the likelihood of another link in the chain....

its possible it was a surface contact, 2-3 days after the 31st, maybe 2nd or 3rd August... but 8 days to symptoms is still long... [but is possible at a stretch]

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#2543713 18-Aug-2020 14:14

wellygary:

tdgeek:

So they were both at Rydges for 4 days, say the worker got infected 31 July, is 11 Aug too long to show symptoms, hence there is one in between? As in your " 1 or maybe 2 links" ?

Yeah, you tend to display symptoms within 3-5 days, 12 days is a long stretch, hence the likelihood of another link in the chain....

its possible it was a surface contact, 2-3 days after the 31st, maybe 2nd or 3rd August... but 8 days to symptoms is still long... [but is possible at a stretch]

Thanks Welly

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Master Geek

#2543714 18-Aug-2020 14:15

tdgeek:
Hemi88: What’s the point of the reporters giving the same questions over and over again it’s been answered multiple times testing was in place it was voluntary it’s was taking time to ramp up now it will be mandatory from now on

Its accountability. But often it seems its more about catching someone out than actually discussing health issues re the virus. They make it all sound so easy.

it just gets a bit annoying when there is other questions they could be asking

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#2543717 18-Aug-2020 14:16

wellygary:
PolicyGuy:

Dr Bloomfield said that all the maintenance worker's home and work close contacts have already tested negative

They are the links radiating out from the worker.....

Given there was no contact between the returnee and the worker, there is either another person linking them or a surface contact, both of which had potential to grow new cases,

That is the thing I couldn’t understand why it wasn’t discussed as a possibility. I wonder if there is tunnel vision occurring. But maybe the timing makes a intermediate case impossible? We have always known of the risk Infected surfaces pose , even if very small. That is why it was recommended to clean the surfaces of products you buy from the supermarket. Or clean the surfaces of other products you bring into the house and put out in the sun as the sun can kill the virus. If the cold storage Is shown to have a link then I suspect more cleaning will be done to mitigate the risk. I don’t see it as a major issue because we have known for a long time that the virus can survive on these conditions.

The DG said we were supposed to get the results of the cold storage test on Sunday, then Monday afternoon. I wonder why it keeps getting pushed back.

wellygary

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#2543719 18-Aug-2020 14:16

Hemi88: What’s the point of the reporters giving the same questions over and over again it’s been answered multiple times testing was in place it was voluntary it’s was taking time to ramp up now it will be mandatory from now on

Because that's not what the government said at the time, they said "all" not those who wanted it....

23 June 2020: New COVID-19 testing strategy to keep New Zealand safe: Hon Dr David Clark

"Regular health check and asymptomatic testing of all border facing workers "

"Under our enhanced strategy, priority for testing will be given to those who are most likely to have been exposed to COVID-19 which is our border and airline staff and those arriving back in New Zealand.

These workers include:

Border workers in customs, biosecurity, immigration and aviation security at airports, and the people who clean at international airports or maritime ports in areas/conveniences visited by international arrivals
Staff who work in managed isolation and quarantine facilities, including those who drive people entering the country from the airport to the facilities
International air and maritime crew.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-covid-19-testing-strategy-keep-new-zealand-safe

Hemi88

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Master Geek

#2543720 18-Aug-2020 14:17

all of the staff at ridges have been tested and comeback negative a surface could be a problem

Fred99

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#2543721 18-Aug-2020 14:19

Zepanda66:

Will be interesting to see the final report on the Americold facility. I'm guessing we wont know till tomorrow what the outcome of that investigation is. What happens if surface to human transmission is confirmed? That changes everything.

A genome match between the local cases and viral RNA on the surfaces of food/containers won't confirm anything. It can't tell what the "direction" of transfer was - ie it might transferred from the surface to infect the person in the coolstore, but it's far more likely that it's there because an already infected person was in the coolstore.

They might find RNA that matches that of the Melbourne coolstore workers - but nobody here got infected with that, so it would be "interesting" - maybe not surprising, but isn't really going to prove anything either.

wellygary

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#2543722 18-Aug-2020 14:19

mattwnz:
The DG said we were supposed to get the results of the cold storage test on Sunday, then Monday afternoon. I wonder why it keeps getting pushed back.

Extra time needed to culture up the samples??..

There is certainly likely to be much less viral load on a very old cold surface than a nice warm juicy throat...

Fred99

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#2543724 18-Aug-2020 14:23

Hemi88: all of the staff at ridges have been tested and comeback negative a surface could be a problem

Yep - and if they swab surfaces where he's been, then same problem as I mention above - you don't know if the virus went from the surface to infect the maintenance guy - or vice-versa.

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#2543725 18-Aug-2020 14:24

Hemi88: What’s the point of the reporters giving the same questions over and over again it’s been answered multiple times testing was in place it was voluntary it’s was taking time to ramp up now it will be mandatory from now on

They issue is that the public was falsely lead to believe that a comprehensive testing program was in place at front line workplaces (rather than ramping up), and they are looking for a damming quote that they can use in articles covering that.

It sounds like the voluntary / compulsory testing thing is a bit of a red hearing, as there were accounts of people (bus drivers etc) requesting testing prior to the current drama and being declined.

Hemi88

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Master Geek

#2543726 18-Aug-2020 14:25

@wellygary there was health checks which would of included temp checks where the breakdown from gov and moh I think is with the swab test which were irregular instead of every time

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