2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2552250 30-Aug-2020 09:57

An example of our failed education system. Their lack of critical thinking or thinking is disturbing.

The police should not be escorting them they should be arresting them.

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#2552256 30-Aug-2020 10:13

Batman:

tell me - Germans, one of the best rule followers - how many defy lockdown rules?

Rise of the Far Right, individualism & selfishness - worldwide ☹️

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2552308 30-Aug-2020 11:03

I hope I am wrong, but on the eve of Auckland moving out of level 3, I get the sinking feeling that for Aotearoa the genie is now out of the bottle. We have community transmission in Auckland and the shift to level 2 will increase the rate infection and its spread around the country. Shifting public sentiment and the high economic cost of lock downs, mean we can no longer keep up the strict measures required to contain community transmission.

So how we act as individuals from here on is very important.

Social distance and wear your masks when you can't.

Encourage others to do the same.

Be rational, respective but firm with Facebook deniers.

If you have symptoms don't go to work and get tested.

And (now that it finally works) use the Covid app. Everywhere you go.

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#2552311 30-Aug-2020 11:11

Likely to be a vaccine by middle of next year.

Taking into account previous corona virus vaccines, better biomedical technology and knowledge, computational improvements, the extra resources being spent, data sharing, and factories are ready to go.

Todays announcement will be the most interesting of all. Contain or give up.

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#2552312 30-Aug-2020 11:11

dafman:

I hope I am wrong, but on the eve of Auckland moving out of level 3, I get the sinking feeling that for Aotearoa the genie is now out of the bottle. We have community transmission in Auckland and the shift to level 2 will increase the rate infection and its spread around the country. Shifting public sentiment and the high economic cost of lock downs, mean we can no longer keep up the strict measures required to contain community transmission.

So how we act as individuals from here on is very important.

Social distance and wear your masks when you can't.

Encourage others to do the same.

Be rational, respective but firm with Facebook deniers.

If you have symptoms do go to work and get tested.

And (now that it finally works) use the Covid app. Everywhere you go.

QFT. This is important.

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#2552316 30-Aug-2020 11:35

This is a classic example of a lot of ingrained Kiwi behaviours coming back to bite us. There are already reports of people having rushed to book tickets and so forth to holiday outside of Auckland; we saw people associated with the Auckland cluster that were just endlessly gallivanting around the region and beyond before or in some cases even after displaying symptoms. We have seen an industry (hospitality) that is amazingly pervasive yet contribute relatively little (circa 1.7% GDP) beyond providing jobs for people on holiday visas launching relentless assaults upon the public health messaging with very few people counter-replying effectively. Really, in a worldwide pandemic, is/was it that important that:

1. We have bars/hospitality venues opening left, right and centre sans restrictions so people can mostly just pile themselves with alcohol whilst consuming mediocre food? You compare us with places like Taiwan and HK where eateries (and you can imagine how much more expensive rent is over in those places) have routinely added separators between tables and the like to enforce social distancing.

2. We pretend like somehow we can just endlessly go on having massive crowds gather on professional sporting events and other relatively pointless affairs where the benefits mostly accrue to a small bunch of people.

3. People all gather up together to celebrate their imaginary friends? If your imaginary friend is so amazing, I am sure you can praise Him/Her/It online together.

4. People treating staying at home like it's the equivalent of getting cancer? My wife (ER specialist) worked during the two Saturdays before the lockdown and she reported that the traffic everywhere along her route (North Auckland to central) was worse than the average weekday. And the weather wasn't that great from memory. How many people can honestly say that they've reduced their intra and extra-region travelling since COVID?

Then of course there are the long list of screw ups at the border and elsewhere within the system. The point of (1) to (4) and other examples of the relentless pretense of normality/NZ exceptionalism isn't that any of them individually or looked at in isolation is necessarily horrible but they all contributed to this sense that COVID is no big deal and no sacrifices from anybody individually is required. "WAH WAH WAH I HAD IT ALL AND THEN LOST IT FOR A FEW WEEKS. GIVE IT BACK. INFRINGEMENT OF MY RIGHTS!" has basically become the default retort.

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#2552335 30-Aug-2020 12:08

BBC News - Germany coronavirus: Hundreds arrested in German 'anti-corona' protests

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Police in Berlin have arrested 300 demonstrators during protests against Germany's coronavirus restrictions.

Some 38,000 people took to the streets in the city for mostly peaceful demonstrations. ...

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#2552337 30-Aug-2020 12:18

dejadeadnz: "WAH WAH WAH I HAD IT ALL AND THEN LOST IT FOR A FEW WEEKS. GIVE IT BACK. INFRINGEMENT OF MY RIGHTS!" has basically become the default retort.

Imo it's a small minority of very silly and very vocal people. The picture of a recent Auckland protest attracting 500 people indicates the silly people are not keen on masks either. Just silly.

Goodness knows what the American flag is supposed to mean.

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#2552341 30-Aug-2020 12:29

gzt:
Imo it's a small minority of very silly and very vocal people. This picture of a recent Auckland protest attracting 500 people indicates the silly people are not keen on masks either. Just silly.

I wasn't talking about the outright muppets. Rather, the focus was on the silly "everyday" and so called "good" people who keep insisting that they can/will just live like Covid isn't with us. It's not helpful to keep pretending that the problem is just with a bunch of muppets. If we want to minimise risks to ourselves and others, people simply have to accept that they should do less of the pointless things like a bunch of idiots getting together at a bar and shouting on top of the lungs to one another whilst ejecting potentially COVID-laden particles. I am just not seeing anywhere enough commentary where people are being told to accept such simple facts. Instead, everyone is busy behaving like Aucklanders are about to be EMANCIPATED shortly. It's pathetic.

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#2552356 30-Aug-2020 12:34

tdgeek:

1. So keeping AKL at Level 3 for another 2 to 4 weeks might help?

2. Its reality everywhere that compliance is fading. Now while there are many of us that haven't wavered, we aren't the problem

MIQ. Did you every expect an outbreak from the border would never happen? Perhaps if we treated them as prisons that would have helped. And that 12 day tests, you can go are 110% accurate?

MIQ if no one came back the risk would be lower of an out break happening. I was under the impression that the government thought they could bring an outbreak back under control. It’s looking like they were wrong, and now the cost is going to be horrible, lives as well as economic cost, millions screwed for the sake of 38,000 people. I think the government thought compliance would be higher then what it is which is where they have gone wrong. Even with most people trying to comply it only takes a low percentage not complying to stop level 3 working.

1. No. Auckland needs to go to level 4, and it needs to be enforced by the police with penalties handed out. No travel out to protect rest of country.

2. We aren’t the problem statement, yes but there are enough people that are not complying that the virus can spread.

I’ll see the government announcement today, if they continue to level 2, will take it they have given up.

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#2552357 30-Aug-2020 12:46

rugrat:

I was under the impression that the government thought they could bring an outbreak back under control. It’s looking like they were wrong, and now the cost is going to be horrible, lives as well as economic cost, millions screwed for the sake of 38,000 people. I think the government thought compliance would be higher then what it is which is where they have gone wrong. Even with most people trying to comply it only takes a low percentage not complying to stop level 3 working.

1. No. Auckland needs to go to level 4, and it needs to be enforced by the police with penalties handed out. No travel out to protect rest of country.

2. We aren’t the problem statement, yes but there are enough people that are not complying that the virus can spread.

I’ll see the government announcement today, if they continue to level 2, will take it they have given up.

As I keep saying, prevention is better than cure. Put the effort in prevention - but that never happened now we know there is no cure.

But as I also point out, it may be possible that even with maximum effort we may not be able to prevent covid from getting back in, but we will never know. I don't think you could say we tried our best.

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#2552358 30-Aug-2020 12:54

I see the govt has asked everyone in south and west Auckland get a test. NZs total test return capacity of 10K per day looks low in relation to that. In practice does this mean we will sample faster than we can test, and generate a large processing backlog? Or is our sample capacity aligned to our test capacity?

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#2552360 30-Aug-2020 13:00

gzt: Imo it's a small minority of very silly and very vocal people. This picture of a recent Auckland protest attracting 500 people indicates the silly people are not keen on masks either. Just silly.

Goodness knows what the American flag is supposed to mean.

Conspiracy theorists. "US flag" "globalisation" "agenda 2020" tells me all about the intelligence of this people.

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#2552361 30-Aug-2020 13:07

Published on Facebook only? Maybe it's a staged campaign starting with Facebook users:

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#2552372 30-Aug-2020 13:43

gzt: Published on Facebook only? Maybe it's a staged campaign starting with Facebook users:

It's on their verified twitter page as well and verified Instagram as well. Now they delete it and correct it lol

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