2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2552473 30-Aug-2020 16:37

mattwnz:
Hemi88: @oblivian pm gave the answer and it was going to be rectified and it should of been enough it was answered well for me it just at this time there were a lot more pressing questions that needed to be answered but because of him taking up so much time there wasn’t anything I get it’s his job to ask but when you hijack the press conference with the same question not letting others get questions it annoying rant over

I was disappointed I didn't hear anyone from the media ask questions about this https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/members-mt-roskill-church-gathered-prayer-meetings-during-lockdown

I think there was one but I would’ve liked more questions about that and more info about the health worker from tokoroa but now we have to what for those questions

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#2552515 30-Aug-2020 16:43

Hemi88: @gv27 I can’t speak for what was asked the minster this morning and I’m not complaining about the questions being asked and that’s his job for me the question was answered by the pm multiple times by the pm from the same question from him for me there is far more important question to be asked weren’t asked now

It wasn't answered. She got several things wrong. It wasn't just an 'inconsistent' message on instagram, nor was it just a heading on an ad. The main image and the text body was incorrect and it went across almost every social media platform. Again, this would have effected over half a million people on the eve of moving to Level 2. No wonder there were massive queues at West Auckland community testing pop-ups today.

The PM said she was 'angry' about it, but apparently wasn't angry enough to find out what actually happened or give a reason as to how a totally incorrect message that explicitly stated something that was not true managed to make its way into the wild - she suggested it was one inconsistent headline image on one social media channel.

The Government and MOH have, over the last two weeks, repeatedly insisted they are the 'one true source of information' regarding the Covid19 response. Given that they can't even get their ducks in a row when defending their mistakes, I don't blame questions for doubling down when they are being told things that don't line up.

Again, that's their jobs. If you want other questions to be asked, maybe get mad about the mistake that sopped up so much time during the presser to begin with.

Also - the livestreams of these things keep going after One stops at 1:30pm. The RNZ Facebook page was streaming the press conference right up to 1:50pm. There were plenty of other questions asked.

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#2552516 30-Aug-2020 16:44

GV27:

... and he's pushing back. He's a journalist, his job is to ask questions, and whether people like it or not, incorrect comms that plainly state that half the city needs to get tested a day before we move out of Level 2 from the 'one true source' of Covid19 information is a newsworthy occurrence

Bad day to be a Social Media Engagement Intern at MoH

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#2552522 30-Aug-2020 16:53

@Gv27 for me I was satisfied with the pm answers pm did say she told them to fix it this morning

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#2552523 30-Aug-2020 16:53

Yet the herald ran it as an article after scraping it from social media (last night). Somehow figured it was an error, quoting people on facebook confusion. And didn't back door query it until this afternoon themselves.

When you click it, it's been updated to that new headline at ~1:29 with changes from 1pm standup

To match the 2nd fresh article https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360355

'Let's just let it lie and go for a gotcha story..'

Yet if you point out they got spelling or a quote wrong. It's changed instantly.

The answer was made. Someone cocked up. She didn't know where/how and doesn't sign off on everything personally. It didn't need a further apology. And it didn't need to be driven. Re-issue a new headline like she requested media do and carry on. Oh but wait, THEY GOT IT WRONG! makes for a better one.

They do the very same with headlines themselves. Repeatedly. Daily. With the data within telling a different less OMG story.

We nearly need a press - press stand-up to make someone accountable for those too.

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#2552526 30-Aug-2020 16:59

GV27:

Also - the livestreams of these things keep going after One stops at 1:30pm. The RNZ Facebook page was streaming the press conference right up to 1:50pm. There were plenty of other questions asked.

I don't know why TVNZ keeps stopping it early. It is very annoying. IMO anyone tuning in at 1pm wants to hear the whole thing, they aren't watching it for fun.

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#2552534 30-Aug-2020 17:03

dafman:

I hope I am wrong, but on the eve of Auckland moving out of level 3, I get the sinking feeling that for Aotearoa the genie is now out of the bottle. We have community transmission in Auckland and the shift to level 2 will increase the rate infection and its spread around the country. Shifting public sentiment and the high economic cost of lock downs, mean we can no longer keep up the strict measures required to contain community transmission.

So how we act as individuals from here on is very important.

Social distance and wear your masks when you can't.

Encourage others to do the same.

Be rational, respective but firm with Facebook deniers.

If you have symptoms don't go to work and get tested.

And (now that it finally works) use the Covid app. Everywhere you go.

I fear the same, and hope I am wrong too. But it doesn't appear some of our top experts are have had their concerns addressed and their advice used. eg Mass masking should now be a requirement for Auckland IMO as they move down a level, and that is the advice from one of our top epidemiologists. We know children get it and can spread it, and can even die from it etc, yet we aren't requiring them to even wear masks on school buses, especially as we now know that schools are higher risk places that outbreaks occur. . Mass masking is what most the the rest of the world is doing who have covid in their community. Especially as the PM showed a map of the community outbreak in Auckland, showing how widespread the cases were in Auckland. I didn't realize it was that spread out. There were bubbles scattered throughout the Auckland region. I haven't seen that map before, is it printed anywhere?

I therefore don't think it isn't a good idea for the border to be reopened between Auckland and the rest of NZ. Likewise IMO I think the rest of NZ (excluding Tokaroa perhaps) should be now down to level 1.5. Businesses can continue as normal with the borders closed, as there are exceptions already in place. The PM even alluded that the only reason the rest of NZ remains in level 2, is to allow Aucklanders to travel around NZ. But Aucklanders are at level 2.5, so have higher requirements based on on it being a higher risk areas. The fact is that there is currently no evidence of community transmission elsewhere in NZ, so according to the levels, it appears the rest of NZ (excluding above) should be in level 1. But the risk of that now goes up with the border opening. Potentially if we start getting mini clusters around NZ from this cluster, then more cities, or the entire country l could end up in level 3. The current level 3 and border closure in Auckland essentially stops this.

Level 2 also puts more responsibility back onto individuals to do the right thing, rather than enforced restrictions of level3 and 4. But this has proven not to work prior to our first lockdown, as some people refuse to self isolate themselves,and we just need one infected person not to, to result in a single cluster, causing multiple 'mini' clusters. Even though Auckland has a gathering limit of 10, what stops an Auckland event moving to a location outside Auckland, and then having a larger gathering? People were breaching the limits on gatherings before we moved to level 4, we had a wedding near us that shouldn't have occurred during level 3 back then.

I am also concerned that according to 1 news last night, they had only tested about half of people from the new mini cluster around the church. So there could be people out there who have it, who are not self isolating, and may even travel to Wellington on Monday. Not sure if the media asked any questions about this today.

The PM also made it very clear that NZ could go back up levels again. IMO we should be using level 3 to stamp it out/ eliminate it, as this doesn't appear to be just a long tail, there appears to be low transmission occurring in level 3 as we are well past the 14 day incubation cycle.

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#2552536 30-Aug-2020 17:11

Oblivian:

Yet the herald ran it as an article after scraping it from social media (last night). Somehow figured it was an error, quoting people on facebook confusion. And didn't back door query it until this afternoon themselves.

When you click it, it's been updated to that new headline at ~1:29 with changes from 1pm standup

To match the 2nd fresh article https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360355

'Let's just let it lie and go for a gotcha story..'

Yet if you point out they got spelling or a quote wrong. It's changed instantly.

The answer was made. Someone cocked up. She didn't know where/how and doesn't sign off on everything personally. It didn't need a further apology. And it didn't need to be driven. Re-issue a new headline like she requested media do and carry on. Oh but wait, THEY GOT IT WRONG! makes for a better one.

They do the very same with headlines themselves. Repeatedly. Daily. With the data within telling a different less OMG story.

We nearly need a press - press stand-up to make someone accountable for those too.

The news media do not work as PR flunkies for the government. Why is it up to them to alert them to massive errors in comms across multiple platforms? Are you seriously suggesting that newspapers have more of an obligation to the government to alert them about their mistakes than to the general public to report on them?

Again, the Minister of Health had media engagements this morning. He did not seem to mention this massive glaring error in their comms affected over half a million people.

It may have been 'addressed' by the PM, but as noted, she made several comments which were not consistent with the actual message or the way it was put out across multiple platforms.

I honestly at this stage feel your problem is more that the media is asking questions in the first place.

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#2552540 30-Aug-2020 17:25

Sideface:

BBC News - Germany coronavirus: Hundreds arrested in German 'anti-corona' protests

today

Police in Berlin have arrested 300 demonstrators during protests against Germany's coronavirus restrictions.

Some 38,000 people took to the streets in the city for mostly peaceful demonstrations. ...

Again, that's concentrated on a single spot for that single event nationwide and not many in comparison to 84 Million Germans. And it's purely political - misused by the ultra rights and other groups i.e. extreme vegans etc.

By the way - they have been arrested due to the ignorance of the corona distance measures only and to "become victims" of the "state of unliberty".

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Hemi88

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#2552542 30-Aug-2020 17:25

For me there is no problem with media asking questions it’s their job and I’m happy that the question was asked and for me personally I was happy with the pm answer people can disagree I have a problem with the guy repeatedly cutting off other reporters questions for the same question that was answered
The question needed to be asked it was and to my liking it was answered

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#2552546 30-Aug-2020 17:36

Moving away from the pressers for a second, is anyone else a little concerned we're moving down a step while there is a cluster forming around a church group who have apparently been quite happy to play it fast and loose with the lockdown rules? Do we really think these people will take isolation seriously or be as quick to get tested as the original Americold family?

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#2552549 30-Aug-2020 17:47

GV27:
Moving away from the pressers for a second, is anyone else a little concerned we're moving down a step while there is a cluster forming around a church group who have apparently been quite happy to play it fast and loose with the lockdown rules? Do we really think these people will take isolation seriously or be as quick to get tested as the original Americold family?

it is disappointing to hear about some church goers not following the rules lets just hope the people that need to be tested are been tested there is enough evidence to show large confined groups are not good

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#2552550 30-Aug-2020 17:51

GV27:

Moving away from the pressers for a second, is anyone else a little concerned we're moving down a step while there is a cluster forming around a church group who have apparently been quite happy to play it fast and loose with the lockdown rules? Do we really think these people will take isolation seriously or be as quick to get tested as the original Americold family?

The problem is we don't know the facts around this, we can only go on what One News reported.. But according to One News last night only about 200 people connected to the church had been tested. But there were at least 400 at the wedding, and upto a coupl eof hundred at the other services, but there maybe an overlap of people. Those services were held all prior to the level 3 lockdown.

I just hope that everyone has now been tested. But the MOHs press release today didn't appear to discuss this, and whether they have all now been contacted and tested. I would like to see far more detail from the MOH, rather than reporters having to ask questions to extract the information.

It also appears that quote a lot of people who get tested early on, such as day 3, show a negative test, and then may go onto develop symptoms a week alter. I hope the early tests are not giving some people a false sense of security. It appears a single early test is not going to be enough, it appears people need multiple tests along the 14 incubation period, which is what happens in MIQ. The Tokaroa nurse appears to have tested negative at day 3, but tested positive after developing symptoymns. They were however operating at level 4 with full PPE.

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#2552551 30-Aug-2020 17:51

GV27:

Moving away from the pressers for a second, is anyone else a little concerned we're moving down a step while there is a cluster forming around a church group who have apparently been quite happy to play it fast and loose with the lockdown rules? Do we really think these people will take isolation seriously or be as quick to get tested as the original Americold family?

They should arrest all members of that church and then detain them en masse under the Health Act. Gloves need to be off.

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#2552553 30-Aug-2020 17:56

It's us. - Recently a scientist has calculated if WE (all mankind) stick on hygiene rules and wear mask ONLY for the next 4 weeks day and night - all Covid-19 would have gone. Guaranteed!

But ... for us humans it seems to be an impossible thing to reach. Instead nose jobs, facelifts and Botox: "Demand for plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures soars during COVID-19"

Yesterday India had 78,472 new infections on a single day. And they're nearly as much as the Chinese people in the world.

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