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Topic # 145431 17-May-2014 14:45
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Many may be aware of the ongoing saga where some pseudo-know all claim there's a causation between vaccination and autism, based on a flawed study that was retracted because it was found to be biased ("Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent").

Now come news that "Vaccines are not associated with autism: An evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies" with comments on Forbes.

Recently an Italian court accepted a settlement from a pharma company in regards to a "vaccine - autism" lawsuit. The settlement was used by anti-vaccine people to claim "Court rules vaccines cause autism" (as if a judge could possibly have any comment on a medical issue), when in fact the pharma company just paid to stop the PITA.

I personally know a mother who blames her son's autism on vaccines, based on Wakefield's fraudulent studies... When she mentioned the Italian case, I quickly left the room, lest confront her with the bad belief system she based her conclusions.

Do vaccines cause reactions? Sure, like any other medicine they are susceptible to side effects. Do we see more reaction caused by vaccines? Yes, just because millions of people take vaccines every year, probably more than any other type of medicine or treatment. But that's not to say it's more dangerous than an anaphylactic shock caused by antibiotics. 

So, let's open the gates for the conspiracy theorists here...







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  Reply # 1047005 17-May-2014 14:56
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"So, let's open the gates for the conspiracy theorists here..."

Oh god why!

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  Reply # 1047060 17-May-2014 16:02

Watch this ... http://freezone.internode.on.net/vod/freezone/documentaries/ted/19543

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  Reply # 1047064 17-May-2014 16:06
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Don't even get me started on this topic.




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  Reply # 1047065 17-May-2014 16:12
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Some people just have this thing against science. 

Would they rather smallpox?

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  Reply # 1047066 17-May-2014 16:13
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Penn and Teller on Vaccinations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo

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  Reply # 1047071 17-May-2014 16:31
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Vaccines are a numbers game. Without them, far more people would die or suffer. But people can have side effects, and the fact is that as human beings are so complex, they can effect different people in different ways. We don't know what teh cause of is with many diseases, but some things can cause a higher risk of people getting them. It is really only some time in the future when things can be proven. It's the same with mobile phones, there was research just a week or so ago again showing a possibly link between usage and disease.  

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  Reply # 1047076 17-May-2014 16:40
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the dangers of partial knowledge eh

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  Reply # 1047083 17-May-2014 16:51
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Azzura: Penn and Teller on Vaccinations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo


SO SO SO this. (I was about to post it myself) I respect anyones choice not to have a vaccination, however, then you should be quarantined on an island. If you want to be part of General Population, get a vaccine. The END.

The reality is that the people who don't condone it, have forgotten how bad those diseases actually ARE. Because we don't see them any more (thanks to vaccinations) the effect of them is minimized in their head. 

I have a friend in Canada who I have known many years. Absolutely believes this link exists between Autism and Vaccines exists. He asked me if I would feel as strongly as I do about Vaccines if my child died, or got Autism. I told him I love my son more than anything in the world, I've never imagined loving something
that much, but if he died from complications related to Vaccines, I'd have my daughter done the next week. He called me a lair, and I told him he didn't know me very well. 

It should be mandatory so that the very few who can't have them, can still get protection. 



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  Reply # 1047084 17-May-2014 16:52
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surfisup1000: Some people just have this thing against science. 

Would they rather smallpox?


Some would, because they don't have any first have experience with how terrible it is.

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  Reply # 1047111 17-May-2014 17:19
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Yeah and because most people are vaccinated the ones that aren't are protected anyway... Is it something called the herd immunity theory?

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sdav: Yeah and because most people are vaccinated the ones that aren't are protected anyway... Is it something called the herd immunity theory?


Yes. Sadly it's badly misunderstood and people use it as a reason to skip immunisation. It only works in very densely populated places regardless, so NZ/Australia aren't eligible. 

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