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#195613 26-Apr-2016 16:27

Doubt this surprises anyone but it may put some pressure on policy makers who make chips and coke cheaper than veges

http://ibdnewstoday.com/2016/01/06/processed-foods-may-lead-development-autoimmune-diseases-ibd/

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#1542331 26-Apr-2016 16:42

It's all about money. The government should be putting health as the priority, but do they?. Processed foods are cheaper to produce, and made from the left overs of premium fresh produce, that would otherwise be thrown away . So much else could be said about this topic.

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#1542352 26-Apr-2016 17:25

Links and causation are different. Just because something is linked is not the same as A causing B, although it could. But not by just being linked. Eg going to gyms could be linked to violence. But it is possible gym goers take steroid that causes roid rage. The steroid that causes violence, not the gym activity.

Although processed foods are probably to blame for all the ailments of the world.

But perhaps the third party causing it is pittance or absence of certain bacteria in the gut. That apparently first gets there from your mother's poo as you come into the world.

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#1542366 26-Apr-2016 17:58

joker97: Links and causation are different. Just because something is linked is not the same as A causing B, although it could. But not by just being linked. Eg going to gyms could be linked to violence. But it is possible gym goers take steroid that causes roid rage. The steroid that causes violence, not the gym activity.

Although processed foods are probably to blame for all the ailments of the world.

But perhaps the third party causing it is pittance or absence of certain bacteria in the gut. That apparently first gets there from your mother's poo as you come into the world.

Vaginal fluids first, then bacteria in milk. Hence different health outcomes for c section kids and kids who take antibiotics.

I realise links and causation are different but we are quite happy to use them when it suits, eg speed, fluoride, antibiotics

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#1542367 26-Apr-2016 18:00

joker97: Links and causation are different. Just because something is linked is not the same as A causing B, although it could. But not by just being linked. Eg going to gyms could be linked to violence. But it is possible gym goers take steroid that causes roid rage. The steroid that causes violence, not the gym activity.

Although processed foods are probably to blame for all the ailments of the world.

But perhaps the third party causing it is pittance or absence of certain bacteria in the gut. That apparently first gets there from your mother's poo as you come into the world.

Lack of definite proof is how so many things still exist. But look at smoking and asbestos. Although it was suspected that both could harm you, there was no proof for many years. Infact smoking at one time was prescribed by doctors for health benefits. Supposedly there is now proof that red meat will increase your risk of some diseases.Only time will tell with all these things.

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#1542368 26-Apr-2016 18:02

A very famous man once said repeatedly, "you have no proof".

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#1542369 26-Apr-2016 18:03

Ok for those who can't read minds, it was Lance Armstrong, for about a decade.

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#1542386 26-Apr-2016 19:11

I'm not surprised, Never before have we lived in an age where so many people's data were accessible to so many scientists - It's bound to show up links that were never seen before in the past, One of the additives listed is salt which has been used to process food since 200 BC.

This seems fitting

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#1542388 26-Apr-2016 19:22

However....

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/life-expectancy-myth-and-why-many-ancient-humans-lived-long-077889

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#1542425 26-Apr-2016 20:31

That really is trying to use math to confuse. Of course with a high infant mortality rate your going to drag down the average life stats - I dont think anyone is really stupid enough to think that we only lived till 35 years way back when before the monolith however it is a useful stat to indicate quite simply how many people died early - Sure some live to 70 but if only 1 in 5 did back then and now 3 in 5 do then the point still stands

How many never made it past birth let alone long enough to walk or long enough to survive common illness. Aids/HIV, TB, Black death, Smallpox and even the flu were all death sentences in the past.

All that said the study is interesting when you get to the actual study rather than an curated summary, The biggest jump in consumption is in nano particles which is a real and known issue - Basic GRAS food stuff's can change when ground down to nano particle sizes and take on unknown/unstudied properties. The rest of the items are actually about intake levels rather than the articles implied issue with processed foods, Increased intake of salt and sugar may be leading to these illnesses no matter the source.