Wine & Coffee increase lifespan

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#230334 19-Feb-2018 17:04

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/19/revealed-two-glasses-wine-15-minutes-exercise-day-key-long-life/

I've decided to believe this. Most of all because if you really want to not only shorten your lifespan and not enjoy what time you've got - then spend lots of energy worrying that it isn't true.

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#1960465 19-Feb-2018 17:14

Guess I'm screwed then since I never drink either.

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#1960468 19-Feb-2018 17:28

The list (for those who don't want to read the link):

2 hours of hobbies a day slashes your risk of dying young by 21%
2 glasses wine a day by 18%
15 minutes of exercise a day by 11%
2 cups coffee a day by 10%
BMI overweight by 3%

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#1960549 19-Feb-2018 19:46

I can't stand coffee so I will have to drink more wine to make up for it!

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#1960555 19-Feb-2018 19:55

Fred99:

The list (for those who don't want to read the link):

2 hours of hobbies a day slashes your risk of dying young by 21%
2 glasses wine a day by 18%
15 minutes of exercise a day by 11%
2 cups coffee a day by 10%
BMI overweight by 3%

Being BMI overweight reduces the risk of dying by 3%?

Edit, busy will read the link later

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#1960564 19-Feb-2018 20:06

tdgeek:

Fred99:

The list (for those who don't want to read the link):

2 hours of hobbies a day slashes your risk of dying young by 21%
2 glasses wine a day by 18%
15 minutes of exercise a day by 11%
2 cups coffee a day by 10%
BMI overweight by 3%

Being BMI overweight reduces the risk of dying by 3%?

Edit, busy will read the link later

I don't think the link I gave will give great insight on that.
My guess would be that being low BMI when elderly probably isn't a great thing statistically. It might indicate low fat, but might also indicate low muscle density, bone density etc - general "frailty" which may or may not be symptomatic of disease.

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#1960617 19-Feb-2018 21:33

There is next to zero balance in that article. It's a typical science section puff piece.

The Telegraph writer could have looked to an earlier article published in the health section:

Telegraph: Women who drink two glasses of wine a night 'should be sent for liver scans by their GPs'

The advice from the National Institute of Health and Care Excellence (Nice) says around 2 million people are drinking at levels which put them at risk of potentially fatal disease.

GPs are being told that men who drink three pints of beer a night, and women consuming two glasses of wine nightly are among those who should be sent for checks for scarring to the liver, also known as cirrhosis.

Britain is the worst country in the western world for heavy drinking among professional women, with those with a good education twice as likely to be problem drinkers, research shows.

Yeah nah it's just the nanny state innit? Everyone knows alcohol is good for you there's heaps of studies about it in the newspaper every day. With zero balance. For some reason.

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#1960632 19-Feb-2018 22:34

Fred99:

tdgeek:

Fred99:

The list (for those who don't want to read the link):

2 hours of hobbies a day slashes your risk of dying young by 21%
2 glasses wine a day by 18%
15 minutes of exercise a day by 11%
2 cups coffee a day by 10%
BMI overweight by 3%

Being BMI overweight reduces the risk of dying by 3%?

Edit, busy will read the link later

I don't think the link I gave will give great insight on that.
My guess would be that being low BMI when elderly probably isn't a great thing statistically. It might indicate low fat, but might also indicate low muscle density, bone density etc - general "frailty" which may or may not be symptomatic of disease.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Higher fat probably also means higher muscle mass, better that than frail.

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#1960685 20-Feb-2018 01:10

Fred99:
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2 cups coffee a day by 10%

So my 12 cups a day would give me a 60% increased life expectancy? AWESOME! 😎

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#1960744 20-Feb-2018 09:13

When you get older you are prone to being hit hard by some illnesses. If you have low body fat and muscle mass you have less metabolic reserve.

Note that over-weight is not necessarily fat in appearance. As an example I'm about 182cm tall. At my height Overweight (MBI >25) starts at 84kg. (Source: Heart foundation BMI calculator).

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#1960749 20-Feb-2018 09:25

Beware of alcohol related dementia. Perhaps one glass of wine per day may be safer than two!

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#1960753 20-Feb-2018 09:31

When people whine it makes me want to shorten my lifespan :) Or theirs!

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#1960784 20-Feb-2018 10:30

MikeAqua:

Note that over-weight is not necessarily fat in appearance. As an example I'm about 182cm tall. At my height Overweight (MBI >25) starts at 84kg. (Source: Heart foundation BMI calculator).

True, but perception of "normal" weight appearance has shifted over time. Looking at old photos and movies etc can be a bit of a reality check, it's a broad generalisation and subject to exceptions, but many people did look so "skinny" compared with today.

I think you'll find that many people who now have a BMI of about 22 - bang smack in the middle of the "normal" BMI range - will get sick and tired of being told by (often overweight) others how "skinny" they are, as if they're wasting away and need to be fattened up.

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#1960808 20-Feb-2018 10:55

BMI doesn't mean much without knowing a persons fat percentage.

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#1960817 20-Feb-2018 11:02

sidefx:

BMI doesn't mean much without knowing a persons fat percentage.

Yeah it's only useful as a quick and easy guesstimate, and if you know the fat% the BMI is completely obsolete information.

The other thing is this: It is far more important to be "fit" than it is to be lean. IOW a bit of fat on you is not a problem as long as you are getting regular exercise. There are plenty of unfit but lean looking people who are carrying around a lot of internal fat that you can't see and are not exercising. They're in the risky category.

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#1960840 20-Feb-2018 11:40

sidefx:

BMI doesn't mean much without knowing a persons fat percentage.

Based on direct and recent personal experience ... BMI means enough to be used as a qualifying criteria for some surgeries.

The relationship between BMI and % body fat is tight for example this study

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