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#255928 6-Sep-2019 19:50
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There are news reports today about a huge meth haul intercepted by police. They say it represents half a year's national supply. 

 

What happens to meth users ('addicts'?) if they can't get any? Do they go crazy? Extreme random violence? Do they have substitutes? Or can they just get by with nothing, maybe not happy but not out of control either? 





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  #2311967 6-Sep-2019 20:00
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Asking for a friend?  





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  #2311972 6-Sep-2019 20:14
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In the time it took to post, you probably could have googled this but here is the first results I got when I did it. 

 

 

 

https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/meth/withdrawal-detox/

 

https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/drugs/crystal-meth/withdrawal/

 

Meth is many times more addictive than cocaine and heroin and to give you an idea what that means, I know someone personally, who fell through the skylight of a pharmacy trying break in to steal codeine-based derivatives quite a few years ago now. A massive shard of glass impaled him, and he set the alarms off, when the police came and found him, he had crawled across broken glass to get to the drug cabinet. He had some really scary scars and required 4 lots of surgery and even after all that wasn't sure he could quit. 

 

 

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2311976 6-Sep-2019 20:26
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The price goes up




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  #2311978 6-Sep-2019 20:31
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networkn:

 

In the time it took to post, you probably could have googled this but here is the first results I got when I did it. 

 

 

 

https://www.addictioncenter.com/drugs/meth/withdrawal-detox/

 

https://www.drugrehab.com/addiction/drugs/crystal-meth/withdrawal/

 

Meth is many times more addictive than cocaine and heroin and to give you an idea what that means, I know someone personally, who fell through the skylight of a pharmacy trying break in to steal codeine-based derivatives quite a few years ago now. A massive shard of glass impaled him, and he set the alarms off, when the police came and found him, he had crawled across broken glass to get to the drug cabinet. He had some really scary scars and required 4 lots of surgery and even after all that wasn't sure he could quit. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the links though I could have done without the attitude. In the time it took you to snark you could have gone and done something useful instead. 

 

I am interested in the social harm consequences of suddenly depriving meth addicts of half their annual supply. Is this responsible if it results in crazed zombies stalking the streets looking for a fix? I think it is a legitimate concern regardless of who Googles it.

 

 





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  #2311981 6-Sep-2019 20:54
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The volume now available, this seizure won't make a jot of difference. There will be a short term drop but the suppliers will recover in no time. If people want it, others will find a way to provide it.




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  #2311982 6-Sep-2019 21:01
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Interesting and strange that in the two long lists of the effects of meth withdrawal shown in the two links above, there’s only one symptom that appears on both lists - ‘red, itchy eyes’.




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  #2311991 6-Sep-2019 21:48
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If they can’t ‘get any’ I guess they go to pawnhub like all the other teenagers?

 
 
 
 


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  #2311994 6-Sep-2019 22:02
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You can also watch Breaking bad to understand as well.


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  #2311996 6-Sep-2019 22:04
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In Auckland its easier to get then marijuana, there won't be a shortage.


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  #2312018 6-Sep-2019 23:06
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Easy. The price goes up and the quality goes down. 

 

They will commit crimes to get money to buy their fix.

 

Lots of cooks around don't worry there will be supplies.





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  #2312074 7-Sep-2019 08:59
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Dial111: In Auckland its easier to get then marijuana, there won't be a shortage.


That's what I hear through the grapevine in Chch too.

That situation is a very serious risk to young people in particular. I know plenty of more mature-aged "stoners" who'd never dream of using meth if they ran out of dope. Not so young risk-takers who just want to get high.

According to my son who worked on large building sites in the CBD, there was a lot of meth used by tradies, as they had random drug testing on all sites, meth clears your system fast so you test clean the next day, but you lose your job if you smoked weed a week ago. They'd always get advance warning of random tests - the system was full of deliberate holes, as the contractors did not want to lose workers even if they were drug users.

We are asking for disaster with current NZ drug enforcement laws, and we're going to get it. As I understand it, use levels as ascertained by analysis of metabolites of common narcotic drugs in municipal sewage indicate that NZ has a problem already, but it could get much much worse - as it has in parts of Australia.




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  #2312093 7-Sep-2019 09:13
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Easy. The price goes up and the quality goes down. 

 

 

This (I suspect).  And the concern for everyone (user or not) is the second part of that. It'll get cut with cheaper and nastier chemicals that will have bigger unknown side effects.

 

Hopefully the former effect, price increases, will encourage some users to seek help and get off the drug!


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  #2312097 7-Sep-2019 09:25
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Lots of cooks around don't worry there will be supplies.

 

 

I get the feeling that local cooks aren't the thing they were a few years ago. If you're going to be at risk of getting busted for importing/possession of pseudoephedrine or other banned precursors anyway, then have to deal with the hassles of setting up a lab, obtaining the other supplies needed, dealing with the serious safety hazard in manufacturing, and then probably producing second-rate product - why bother?

 

The big busts these days seem to be large quantity and high purity product imported by and from global players. It's not a backyard business any more.  Just wait and see what happens when they diversify and fentanyl and other synthetic opiates hit the street in quantity. Probably less demand at the moment compared to the US  market, NZ wasn't as reckless with prescribing opiates, but it's still a great commercial opportunity for organized crime syndicates to expand.

 

 


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  #2312099 7-Sep-2019 09:31
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Fred99: That situation is a very serious risk to young people in particular. I know plenty of more mature-aged "stoners" who'd never dream of using meth if they ran out of dope. Not so young risk-takers who just want to get high.



It is not just young people. We used to have a neighbour whose adult daughter got 2 years for "possession for supply". From her daughter she learnt that meth users can be found right through all levels of society. If nothing else the effect is that it sucks money into a black hole.

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  #2312102 7-Sep-2019 09:37
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Hopefully the former effect, price increases, will encourage some users to seek help and get off the drug!

 

 

Not very likely at all. Look at the despicable crimes meth users commit and the massive physical/psychological/social harm to themselves and others that they'll allow their habit to inflict - knowingly. 

 

If that help under the present legal framework and resourcing of rehabilitation services was going to work, then they'd be rolling in for rehab already.


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