Petition to reduce EV RUCs

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#3206872 15-Mar-2024 23:32

Dingbatt:

Batman:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-mps-accidentally-cut-proposed-taxes-for-hybrid-cars-in-vote-for-wrong-amendment/VHZRPYNLARHLDER6624PX33TAU/

I hope they leave it as written (3.8c/km for PHEVs).

couldn't find the EV one, still same as diesel?

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#3206875 16-Mar-2024 00:51

They haven't done anything with the EV RUC. Would not surprise me if we end up with this reduced RUC for PHEVs and full RUC for EVs.

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#3206898 16-Mar-2024 08:46

@Batman:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-mps-accidentally-cut-proposed-taxes-for-hybrid-cars-in-vote-for-wrong-amendment/VHZRPYNLARHLDER6624PX33TAU/

can you please stop with the link dumping

at least have the courtesy to post a paragraph about what the article is about.

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#3206900 16-Mar-2024 08:58

Jase2985:

@Batman:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/government-mps-accidentally-cut-proposed-taxes-for-hybrid-cars-in-vote-for-wrong-amendment/VHZRPYNLARHLDER6624PX33TAU/

can you please stop with the link dumping

at least have the courtesy to post a paragraph about what the article is about.

i can't. i'm dyslexic.

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#3206902 16-Mar-2024 09:01

Batman:

Jase2985:

can you please stop with the link dumping

at least have the courtesy to post a paragraph about what the article is about.

i can't. i'm dyslexic.

you can, you just choose not to

ctrl+c info from within the link and crtl+v into the post like you did with the link

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#3206988 16-Mar-2024 16:20

Batman:

i can't. i'm dyslexic.

You have proven you are able to write in other posts. And as Jase2985 points out, you can cut and paste a little bit of text to give an idea about what the link is about.

Will be removing posts from you that just contains links in the future.

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#3207005 16-Mar-2024 18:33

This was also reported in the ODT

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/govt-mps-accidentally-cut-proposed-taxes-hybrid-cars

Govt MPs accidentally cut proposed taxes for hybrid cars.

In discussion about the appropriate level of RUC for PHEV.s...

"The government believed it should be set at $53 per 1000km, a 30 per cent discount on what an equivalent diesel vehicle would pay.

Green MP Julie Anne Genter pointed out that this would make those vehicles very heavily taxed, and taxed more heavily than vehicles that polluted more.

Labour’s Transport Spokesman Tangi Uitkere said MPs on the committee heard a more appropriate RUC level would be a 50 per cent discount, or $38/1000km. Labour MPs had an amendment drafted to that effect.

They put the amendment to the committee, expecting it to be voted down by the government majority.

Instead, the committee voted it through unanimously, and it now sits in the amended version of the bill the committee has returned to the House."

Maybe it was a procedural mistake but let's hope it makes it through to the final bill

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#3207884 19-Mar-2024 11:08

Looks like the lobbying worked re PHEV rates anyway.

Minister confirms reduced RUC rate for PHEVs | Beehive.govt.nz

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#3207909 19-Mar-2024 11:32

Nice. Looks like Andy Foster's incompetence resulted in a PHEV win - although the intentions and wording of the Select Committee’s tabled report matched the Government's desired $53 per 1000km rate, the figure that they ended up accidentally recommending (and has now been voted in) was Labour's $38/1000km amendment, which the committee hadn't realised they were voting for and weren't given leave to take back.

To go back to the intended rate the House would have had to vote on each recommendation individually rather than accepting all the recommendations with one vote, which they obviously decided wasn't worth it.

I suppose it's a reminder that it never hurts to put in even a silly low-ball offer, as well as a point that passing lots of items under urgency isn't necessarily the best option for solid, error-free legislation.

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#3207978 19-Mar-2024 11:56

scuwp:

Looks like the lobbying worked re PHEV rates anyway.

Minister confirms reduced RUC rate for PHEVs | Beehive.govt.nz

Unfortunately, we can't really give credit to the lobbying. Rather, it was the incompetence of this government not noticing what they were voting on that got this reduced rate lol.

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#3207983 19-Mar-2024 12:04

Obraik:

scuwp:

Looks like the lobbying worked re PHEV rates anyway.

Minister confirms reduced RUC rate for PHEVs | Beehive.govt.nz

Unfortunately, we can't really give credit to the lobbying. Rather, it was the incompetence of this government not noticing what they were voting on that got this reduced rate lol.

I think the lobbying/pressure had a bigger influence than you give it credit for. There was just about no one that agreed with the original rate for PHEV's. The feedback has been universal, sustained, and loud that it was set too high. They could have wound back their 'mistake' if they really wanted to.

It's only temporary anyway, until the entire fleet transitions.

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#3207987 19-Mar-2024 12:21

scuwp:

It's only temporary anyway, until the entire fleet transitions.

Where "until" is defined as "no date has been even been announced, and you will note that we have set petrol excise rates up till at least 2029".

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#3207988 19-Mar-2024 12:25

scuwp:

I think the lobbying/pressure had a bigger influence than you give it credit for. There was just about no one that agreed with the original rate for PHEV's. The feedback has been universal, sustained, and loud that it was set too high. They could have wound back their 'mistake' if they really wanted to.

It's only temporary anyway, until the entire fleet transitions.

1.5c (5.3-3.8) per km over 20K vehicles isn't gonna break the bank, (@20K per year per vehicle,my envelope maths says is $6mil)

and its an easy fix for what could have become a rather squeaky wheel of more PHEV owner stories of them trying to "unplug" their vehicles

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#3207995 19-Mar-2024 12:35

wellygary:

scuwp:

I think the lobbying/pressure had a bigger influence than you give it credit for. There was just about no one that agreed with the original rate for PHEV's. The feedback has been universal, sustained, and loud that it was set too high. They could have wound back their 'mistake' if they really wanted to.

It's only temporary anyway, until the entire fleet transitions.

1.5c (5.3-3.8) per km over 20K vehicles isn't gonna break the bank, (@20K per year per vehicle,my envelope maths says is $6mil)

and its an easy fix for what could have become a rather squeaky wheel of more PHEV owner stories of them trying to "unplug" their vehicles

And now maybe PHEV's might not languish on the lots so much now? For some drivers a PHEV is the best of both worlds. I know based in my year's driving (only 10K albeit) I could have run a PHEV instead of my EV and hardly ever visited a petrol station. But the longest road trip I have ever done is Wellington to PN and back and I never got range angst - had 30% left after the round trip.

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#3207998 19-Mar-2024 12:46

Collecting tax on petrol sales at POS is very efficient, simple, and its really hard to avoid (For a Petrol Vehicle)
So almost every dollar makes it to where its supposed to.

Its been noted that various cost overheads in expanded RUC system.
Potential issues with collection rate, and cost in enforcement.

Debt collectors don't work for free.

Fining people who simply don't have the money to pay ahead in bulk, and then have back-km they missed on top.
Yes courts can do the $10 a week for people without the bulk cash/assets, but you just burned a pile of money in these court cases, managing collection and chasing late payments.

Then there is the matter of more encouragement to skip that WOF, etc which is bad for everyone.

Maybe you can seize the car, but then there are costs in that process and return on storing or disposing of it.

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