Clean car package

Forums › Transport (cars, bikes and boats) › Clean car package

1 | ... | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | ... | 17

6756 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2740457 7-Jul-2021 11:38

I have to smile at the use of ‘selective facts’ when it comes to discussing the feebate scheme. This morning a commentator was talking about collecting “a quarter of a billion dollars from high emission vehicles that can’t possibly be spent on the small number of EVs sold in NZ.” Conveniently forgetting about the PHEV and HEV (from next year) that also qualify for a slice of the quarter billion.

I have been taking a note of the new price of various low emission vehicles and will be interested to see how much the RRP increases when rebate is widely available. Hopefully the government has a bureaucrat monitoring it to call them out. As reported it already has for used imports.

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2740460 7-Jul-2021 11:40

Its a system that can easily be adjusted and will be over time.

People should and will choose options that are below the 195g level and more likely to choose cars with subsidies. Its just how people shop.

We'll also get offered more lower emission vehicles, esp for things like utes where we dont get EURO6 compliant cars yet etc.

195g is a pretty lax starting point

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2740465 7-Jul-2021 11:51

Dingbatt:

I have to smile at the use of ‘selective facts’ when it comes to discussing the feebate scheme. This morning a commentator was talking about collecting “a quarter of a billion dollars from high emission vehicles that can’t possibly be spent on the small number of EVs sold in NZ.” Conveniently forgetting about the PHEV and HEV (from next year) that also qualify for a slice of the quarter billion.

I have been taking a note of the new price of various low emission vehicles and will be interested to see how much the RRP increases when rebate is widely available. Hopefully the government has a bureaucrat monitoring it to call them out. As reported it already has for used imports.

If you watch someone who is pro feebate you will get the most accurate facts. If you watch someone who is anti the feebate you will get the most accurate facts

Thats pretty much how news works these days. Forcing opinions, lobbying. Works on all subjects too. We need to filter out the noise

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2740495 7-Jul-2021 13:02

June Bev sales - 343, phev = 52

Lots deferred until July so should see quite a bump I think..

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2740769 7-Jul-2021 17:54

RobDickinson:

June Bev sales - 343, phev = 52

Lots deferred until July so should see quite a bump I think..

Not meaning to discredit your post, what is the ICE number?

HarmLessSolutions

974 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

#2740775 7-Jul-2021 18:10

tdgeek:

RobDickinson:

June Bev sales - 343, phev = 52

Lots deferred until July so should see quite a bump I think..

Not meaning to discredit your post, what is the ICE number?

Data here

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

tdgeek

29749 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#2740779 7-Jul-2021 18:28

HarmLessSolutions:

Not meaning to discredit your post, what is the ICE number?

Data here

Thank you!

Overall, June 2021 registrations of 15,135 vehicles were up 6,822 units (82.0%) on the same month in 2020.
There were 342 pure electric vehicles, 52 PHEV’s and 1,113 hybrid vehicles sold for the month

and thus 13628 ICE

Meaningless for now, but lets see how each month goes. Hybrids are well up as expected as cost efficient. I'm not a big live TV watcher but I wish there were ads galore for EV, PHEV and hybrids. GZ is an exclusive audience, the one that matters is the general public who I see as ambivalent. Electric is novel, just as I compare my 199cc lawnmower to an electric one. Marketing is needed. Maybe the incoming supply is too low and/or quickly sold to bother?

Quic Broadband

Move to New Zealand's best fibre broadband service (affiliate link). Free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE. Note that to use Quic Broadband you must be comfortable with configuring your own router.

Obraik

2123 posts

Uber Geek

#2742064 10-Jul-2021 11:45

What were people saying about prices going up? Tesla has just reduced the price of the Model 3 once again. The Long Range is now very close to qualifying.

Looking to buy a Tesla? Use my referral link and we both get credits

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2742066 10-Jul-2021 11:57

Yeah the LR would need to drop another $5k but the SR+ is now under $60k after OTR costs and rebate :O

HarmLessSolutions

974 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

#2742067 10-Jul-2021 11:59

Obraik: What were people saying about prices going up? Tesla has just reduced the price of the Model 3 once again. The Long Range is now very close to qualifying.

That's reaching parity (or better) with equivalent ICEs, and giving other EV makes a prod on their pricing. https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/buying-a-car/car-buying-guide/new-cars/new-car-prices/

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2742069 10-Jul-2021 12:01

The audi/bmw/merc equivalents are about $74k, we've long passed price parity and you have #3-5k fuel savings a year etc

Scott3

3970 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2742097 10-Jul-2021 13:28

RobDickinson:

Yeah the LR would need to drop another $5k but the SR+ is now under $60k after OTR costs and rebate :O

Nearly...

SR+ is $60,107 driveway after rebate.

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2742100 10-Jul-2021 13:31

yeah spotted that after, shame they couldn't find another $200 haha

Scott3

3970 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

#2742101 10-Jul-2021 13:33

RobDickinson:

The audi/bmw/merc equivalents are about $74k, we've long passed price parity and you have #3-5k fuel savings a year etc

The cheapest BMW 3 series (135kW) has a list price (typically before ORC) of $76,100. The Tesla SR+ is 211kW, so is substantially faster...

At this point buying a lower end new BMW 3 series doesn't seem like a rational decision unless some other aspect (want to match brand of other car in garage?) is a key buying criteria. I still see the appeal of the likes of the BMW M3 though.

RobDickinson

1524 posts

Uber Geek

#2742104 10-Jul-2021 13:36

The M3 is $169,000 base price vs $95,900 now, it takes 98 fuel too at about $140-150 a tank...

Plus will get a hefty extra fee next year at 220g/km co2

1 | ... | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | ... | 17