New generation speed cameras in New Zealand (starting Ngauranga Gorge)

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#1088420 14-Jul-2014 11:31

Aredwood: So since speed contributed to approx 3 out of 10 fatal crashes. What contrubuted to the other 7 out of 10? Im guessing poor driving skills. What I want to know is Why does NZ have the crazy system of tough tests for new drivers but no ongoing testing for existing drivers? We are basicly saying to teenagers when they pass their full licence test. "Congratulations on passing your driving test. You won't need to do another driving test for at least 50 years." And what about those older drivers who got their licence when the test was just a quick theory test. And a drive around the block with one of the traffic cops?

Retesting unfortunately does not change attitude, drink driving, speeding and seldom makes a stupid person a non stupid person. We have a bad attitude to driving in NZ, many don't take it seriously, think the roads are a play pen and many become incredibly aggressive when they get behind the wheel.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1088433 14-Jul-2014 11:41

Two questions.

Please list all the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge and give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

What rubbush!!

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#1088434 14-Jul-2014 11:42

Zippity: Two questions.

Please list the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge mand give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

You need to talk to NZTA regarding this

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1088439 14-Jul-2014 11:58

KiwiNZ:
Mark: I wonder how long it'll be before the shiny new cameras are vandalised ?

I'd prefer more red light cameras than speed cameras, but hey "speeding kills" makes better headlines and marketing.

given this "299 people killed in speed-related crashes over that three year period" then the headlines are correct. I would like to see safety cameras on all main roads and accident black spots as well as more Red light cameras.

See this is where it gets annoying .. where did those stats come from ?

If you go to the Transport agency you can pull up the crash stats, with totally different numbers (I count 281 deaths associated to speeding between 2010 and 2013), pulled from this pdf.

Then you can jump on the Auckland transport website and pull the stats for crashes at intersections

"24, 796 crashes occurred at intersections in the Auckland region from 2009 to 2013. These crashes resulted in 58 deaths and 731 serious injuries."

That's just Auckland .... me personally, I'd prefer to see more money spent on reducing almost 25,000 accidents in one city by putting in red light cameras than targeting the higher profile speeders.
If you are ever in Auckland go sit and watch the intersection at the top of Nelson street in the morning, you will count a red light jumper almost every change, so every change.

Ah well ... stats can be twisted to highlight anything really can't they ?

Wonder why I can find some stats that would highlight the fact we need more police officers walking the beat making their presence obvious and personal than seeing them only driving around in cars ? (I don't think I even remember if policeman have legs any more ? :-)

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#1088479 14-Jul-2014 12:43

i frequently speed - like most people

i also have no issue with more speed / red light cameras / policing of errant driving behaviour (too fast / too slow / too dumb etc) - if it leads to a change in behaviour (incl mine) and to better and safer driving overall

some other comments:

1. speed does kill - it gives you and other drivers less time to react, increasing the risk of something going wrong - it also leads to higher kinetic energy which in the event of a mishap increases the risk of injury and death; and
2. it ain't revenue gathering - if you don't speed - (hence why every ticket i have received in my 30 years of driving i have paid "gladly" - i know the rules, i chose to break em, so there are consequences)

bring em on i say

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#1088493 14-Jul-2014 12:50

jarledb: Can look forward to the next phase of this then: In Norway theres been digital speed cameras for a while now (probably because people had a tendency to take down the old film based ones when they were caught). There are more and more of them being set up to record the average speed between two cameras.

It works by the first camera taking a picture of all cars that pass by (and the digital system reading the cars license plate). When the second camera takes a picture of the car the average speed between the two points is calculated and you will get a fine if its been over the speed limit.

Stops people slowing down before speed cameras and speeding up again between cameras.

This would likely run foul of the Search and Surveillance Act here (in its current form).

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#1088496 14-Jul-2014 12:53

KiwiNZ:
Zippity: Two questions.

Please list the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge mand give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

You need to talk to NZTA regarding this

Oh how I would love to see them publish answers to my questions.

But they won't coz it is a revenue gathering exercise - period!

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#1088499 14-Jul-2014 12:57

jarledb:
gzt: What is the technology difference with these new generation cameras?

Old ones are film based, new ones are digital cameras - probably with a direct connection to the Police and with the capability for machine reading of the license plates.

There is no mention of ANPR in any of the articles. Dominion Post has most details:

"The cameras will be able to monitor traffic in both directions across as many as six lanes, and to distinguish between vehicles allowed to travel at 100kmh and those, such as trucks, or cars towing trailers, which can travel at only 90kmh. Images from the digital cameras can be sent by wire over a secure network, unlike traditional cameras, in which the film has to be changed manually."

"The new ones have got a couple of radars, and fire three pulses to check the speeds and then take the middle one. The other one fires and checks which lane it's in and checks its speed as well."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/10262970/Snap-no-escaping-hi-tech-speed-camera

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#1088512 14-Jul-2014 13:10

Zippity:
KiwiNZ:
Zippity: Two questions.

Please list the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge mand give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

You need to talk to NZTA regarding this

Oh how I would love to see them publish answers to my questions.

But they won't coz it is a revenue gathering exercise - period!

Yes and the fatalities volunteer to die to enhance the case for revenue gathering

People can render the so called revenue gathering useless by, now let me think, oh thats it, by not speeding

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1088537 14-Jul-2014 13:34

Zippity: Two questions.

Please list all the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge and give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

What rubbush!!

There have been none I believe even before they put in the old one. It's all about revenue going down hill.

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#1088543 14-Jul-2014 13:40

The main political discussions about traffic seem to be the number/locations of roads to be built (eg the Roads of National Significance), how they are funded (petrol tax, possibility of congestion charging) and what levels of alternatives are provided (public transport, walking/cycling facilities and so on). I think the public are aware of where most of the parties stand on these issues.

But speed limits/cameras hardly ever seem to reach the political level - odd given how strongly most kiwis feel about them - shouldn't they be lobbying their MP and approaching this from a political/democratic level?

I disagree with many laws in NZ but I don't blame them on the police since they aren't sitting there writing out the lawbooks themselves.

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#1088556 14-Jul-2014 13:48

Zippity: Two questions.

Please list all the fatalities on Ngauranga Gorge and give the date of the incident.

How does the camera read the number plate of any vehicle in the extreme right uphill lane?

What rubbush!!

Q1 Ngauranga can be tricky at times but the Stuff Blackspot program doesn't show any recent fatalities and the serious crashes aren't necessarily in view of the camera.

There's more than 1 reason to stick a camera in a particular spot.

"This site was selected from the 12 sites to become operational first because:
* It is one of the most complex sites across the road network, so provides the most
rigorous testing opportunity.
* Its proximity to the Police Calibrations Unit makes it easily accessible by the
technical team for set-up, assurance, and test activities. "

Q2 There may be some back tracking on that claim. I see the DomPost report talks in terms of "across as many as six lanes". If it was critical they could probably mount a slave camera to record uphill traffic.

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#1088566 14-Jul-2014 13:54

Wait?

Speed Cameras work?

I'm going to noob myself past judgement

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#1088580 14-Jul-2014 14:14

the new diggerry-doo cameras are triggered by radar ?

what band ?

can they be picked up by a radar detetctor ?

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#1088616 14-Jul-2014 14:30

driller2000: i frequently speed - like most people

i also have no issue with more speed / red light cameras / policing of errant driving behaviour (too fast / too slow / too dumb etc) - if it leads to a change in behaviour (incl mine) and to better and safer driving overall

some other comments:

1. speed does kill - it gives you and other drivers less time to react, increasing the risk of something going wrong - it also leads to higher kinetic energy which in the event of a mishap increases the risk of injury and death; and
2. it ain't revenue gathering - if you don't speed - (hence why every ticket i have received in my 30 years of driving i have paid "gladly" - i know the rules, i chose to break em, so there are consequences)

bring em on i say

Actually so long as you are speeding you are safe as houses.

The sudden stop, well thats a different story.

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