France set to ban sale of all new internal-combustion cars by 2040

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#1816042 8-Jul-2017 21:51

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Bold move by France...

http://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/france-set-to-ban-sale-of-all-new-internal-combustion-cars-by-2040

The story above also reference the story about Volvo committing to an electric vehicle future, with 5 fully EV models to be launched between 2019 - 2021

http://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/volvo-cars-to-be-electrified-top-to-bottom-by-2019

Great idea but to late. I'd like to see NZ bring this in by 2020

NZ??? We have 80% renewable energy but it will be 2050 to be 100%. We are useless.

Except that it ain't making any difference. 4 million people contributing ain't gonna make squat if the other 6.996 billion are burning trash at 10x the rate of the 4 million.

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#1816044 8-Jul-2017 21:57

Batman:

tdgeek:

openmedia:

WyleECoyoteNZ:

Bold move by France...

http://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/france-set-to-ban-sale-of-all-new-internal-combustion-cars-by-2040

The story above also reference the story about Volvo committing to an electric vehicle future, with 5 fully EV models to be launched between 2019 - 2021

http://www.autocar.co.nz/autocar-news-app/volvo-cars-to-be-electrified-top-to-bottom-by-2019

Great idea but to late. I'd like to see NZ bring this in by 2020

NZ??? We have 80% renewable energy but it will be 2050 to be 100%. We are useless.

Except that it ain't making any difference. 4 million people contributing ain't gonna make squat if the other 6.996 billion are burning trash at 10x the rate of the 4 million.

Whats that got to do with "Great idea but to late. I'd like too see NZ bring this in by 2020"

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#1816122 9-Jul-2017 08:53

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I am not disagreeing that ultimately EV will take over ICE when everything is at the right price points but it will be a long long time before the electricity generation infrastructure is able to cope with the charging requirements. Good luck to France for building more nuclear power plant, if you can call that green ...

Solar cells & Powerwalls will change this utterly. No new nuclear plants needed. No new electricity distribution infrastructure.

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#1817751 10-Jul-2017 11:53

frankv:

smalltrader:

I am not disagreeing that ultimately EV will take over ICE when everything is at the right price points but it will be a long long time before the electricity generation infrastructure is able to cope with the charging requirements. Good luck to France for building more nuclear power plant, if you can call that green ...

Solar cells & Powerwalls will change this utterly. No new nuclear plants needed. No new electricity distribution infrastructure.

I agree this technology is important. The ability to store day time power generated by renewable is critical. But right now it's still too pricey.

Power-wall list price is $10k for a 13.5kWh usable capacity system in NZ + ~$2k installation + solar array.

Average power consumption is NZ is 30kWh per household per day (EECA figure).

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#1819176 10-Jul-2017 20:58

MikeAqua:

frankv:

smalltrader:

I am not disagreeing that ultimately EV will take over ICE when everything is at the right price points but it will be a long long time before the electricity generation infrastructure is able to cope with the charging requirements. Good luck to France for building more nuclear power plant, if you can call that green ...

Solar cells & Powerwalls will change this utterly. No new nuclear plants needed. No new electricity distribution infrastructure.

I agree this technology is important. The ability to store day time power generated by renewable is critical. But right now it's still too pricey.

Power-wall list price is $10k for a 13.5kWh usable capacity system in NZ + ~$2k installation + solar array.

Average power consumption is NZ is 30kWh per household per day (EECA figure).

Good numbers but time will drive them down by a huge amount.

Why?

First of all, the price of Lithium cells is set to drop as the various mega factories come on line. Five years from now, the three largest manufacturing facilities on the planet will be online churning out cells at well below current prices.

Secondly, the same economies of scale which will drive down the cost of the raw cells will also drive down the cost of making and installing power walls.

Finally, the biggest effect of all will be the availability of used cells that can no longer do any good in a vehicle. Once a cell has lost performance to the extent that can no longer support the range demands of an electric vehicle, it will be re-purposed for use in power walls. Those cells will be available at really low prices and will make power walls cheap. Nissan are already in that market producing power walls that use cells that are considered end of life for vehicle use.

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