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Aredwood

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#2067817 3-Aug-2018 22:04

graemeh:
If Tesla continue to do this all they will do is increase insurance premiums for all Tesla owners (as insurers won't be able to sell the wrecks for as much as they otherwise could).

Supposedly Insurance is already really expensive for Tesla's in the USA. Salvage costs would be a part of that.

I wonder how long it would take until someone writes some open source or 3rd party developed software for Tesla cars? Then if Tesla disable your car, load the open source software, and away you go. No different to loading Linux onto a computer that used to have Windows.

Aredwood

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#2067824 3-Aug-2018 22:38

mattwnz:

Doesn't the CGA partly do this already? eg spare parts to enable repair etc must be available for a reasonable period of time. But I guess that doesn't cover business purchases. To reduce waste, companies should be making things last for far longer, and more easy to upgrade and repair, and IMO they should be required to take the good back at the end of the life for recycling.That would make them more liekly to produce goods that last longer,. It is ironic how NZ business are all for getting rid of plastic bags for the consumer to take their products home in. But businesses are selling more and more goods that don't last as long, are less reliable, cheaper to buy, and end up as rubbish after a few years.

I am 100% in favour of the right to repair. Im always repairing / modifying old stuff. Keeping it alive and working. I try to avoid companies that actively try to limit the ability of 3rd party repairers. In some cases, such companies are actually a financial risk to me. Because as part of my day job, I sell and install gas water heaters (plumber / gasfitter). I don't sell or recommended brands that are restrictive with their parts and servicing information. As I am liable under the CGA for everything that I sell. So restrictive availability of spare parts and service information is a direct liability to me under the CGA.

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#2772577 5-Sep-2021 17:47

You probably missed it but President Joe Biden signed a right-to-repair executive order aimed at manufacturers that impose limits on independent repairs.

This video is a bit off-topic, but it talks at length about right-to-repair.

It also before Joe Biden executive order and the American government's "Fair Trade Commission's" getting involved with McDonald's McFlurry ice cream machines.

The FTC investigation seen as a test case. While this video is older, the issues brought up still remain.

The video touches on broader issues, such as vehicle manufacturer liking ordinary people diagnosing and repairing the vehicles they worn. (Tesla, John Deere, ...)

Warning, lots of F-bombs in this video.

Let's talk about ice cream, Mcdonalds, and why it matters

Louis Rossmann

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#2772855 6-Sep-2021 12:10

Also need to consider when manufacturers refuse to sell parts to the general public or 3rd party repairers
Tesla were well known for this (see Rich Rebuilds YT videos),
Ive had issues getting parts & repairs for 1 well known brand of receipt printer : I couldnt even take it to the repair agent as I didnt have
an a/c with them .

Then we get issues with support for older hardware, basically made obselete for no good reason
I have a Android6 phone & Andriod6 tablet. No support, cant be updated , cant get some apps as Android6 not supported
These 2 Andoid6 devices are more powerfull/faster CPU than the Android10 ph & Tablet I replaced them with, so I have 2 devices
now basically junk.

Right to repair needs to include support & updates for a reasonable time.

lNomNoml

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#2772861 6-Sep-2021 12:23

shrub:

This is also happening with AIO computers. If a screen dies and its your fault good luck buying a replacement. Even if you want to pay for it to be repaired they can/will refuse.

Apple is really bad for this check out this series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwEInwvFbwk

Main reason I will never get an Apple product is because of their anti-repair practices.

gbwelly

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#2772931 6-Sep-2021 14:15

Aredwood:

I wonder how long it would take until someone writes some open source or 3rd party developed software for Tesla cars? Then if Tesla disable your car, load the open source software, and away you go. No different to loading Linux onto a computer that used to have Windows.

SuperfastMatt is putting a Tesla motor into a 1950 Jaguar using a controller from Ingenext . They also offer upgrades to Teslas, providing features that usually you would need to purchase from Tesla.

It's a great channel, worth checking him out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1SMvM-SUHE

From what I gather, a software-only mod is a while away yet though, and certainly wont get your blacklisted car working with supercharging.

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elpenguino

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#2772956 6-Sep-2021 15:17

It's terrible how expensive spare parts can be even if they are available. It can easily tip the balance from repairable to throw it away/get a new one and this does not help with the e-waste and landfill issues in the world.

We're used to the concept that when you buy something, you have the right to do whatever you like to it. I know some machines are complex, but if you want to stuff it up by attempting a repair, you should be able to do so at your own risk and within the bounds of safety regulations, of course.

The idea of having manufacturer overwatch and unilateral control of the product after purchase and even in the second hand market doesn't sit well with me. Do you 'own' it or not? If the manufacturer wants control, then they need to consider only leasing the product instead.

Are there any instances of Tesla outright disabling cars remotely?

Most of the posters in this thread are just like chimpanzees on MDMA, full of feelings of bonhomie, joy, and optimism. Fred99 8/4/21

RobDickinson

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#2773385 7-Sep-2021 09:05

elpenguino:

Are there any instances of Tesla outright disabling cars remotely?

No. Why would they that would land them in court.

You can repair your tesla, you can buy parts from tesla they have an open parts catalogue.

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