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Fred99
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  #2209782 2-Apr-2019 21:09
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alasta:

 

I have always found these American surveys a bit hard to swallow. I would have expected the German marques to be much lower, with Nissan, Mazda and Honda much higher. The two highly ranked GM marques are also a bit of a surprise.

 

 

Well don't forget that the "Japanese" cars are probably made in the US, the "European" cars too - or perhaps Mexico.  Some of the US cars will be made in Canada.
Then consider that a compact VW/Audi with auto transmission, DSG essentially made by US Borg Warner, but OTOH a US Ford with equivalent to DSG has a German Getreg box.

 

Then it gets worse, with model/platform sharing not as obvious as the old badge engineering tricks made to suit political agendas a few decades ago.

 

Throw in to the mix that the more (luxury) features a car has, the more that there is to go wrong (and eventually it will), and also the "Stockholm Syndrome" effect displayed by owners of utter dog marques and models, and there you have it.  You'd need your computer screen to be soft and perforated for those pages to be of real benefit.

 

 




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myopinion: Wow this thread has issues. First all Porsche owners are stereotyped as stuck up now Volvo is not what it used to be as its Chinese owned. Nice bit of racism there.

 

Not at all; statement of fact: Volvo was Swedish-owned, it's now Chinese-owned, therefore it's not what it used to be.

 

As for a my opinion, there's loads of Chinese-made things I buy as first choice as I am convinced by the quality and value for money proposition.

 

But I'm not buying Chinese-made yet for car purchases; neither am I buying American-made or European-made for that matter. I'm going Japanese or Korean every time. Not racist, simply my assessment of track record for quality, reliability and value for money.


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myopinion: Wow this thread has issues. First all Porsche owners are stereotyped as stuck up now Volvo is not what it used to be as its Chinese owned. Nice bit of racism there.

 

Firstly it is a fact and not racism in any regard, people who go around calling racism when it is not should have a label slapped on them equally as heavy as a racist. 

 

Fred99:

 

Then consider that a compact VW/Audi with auto transmission, DSG essentially made by US Borg Warner, but OTOH a US Ford with equivalent to DSG has a German Getreg box.

 

 

All of them are BorgWarner designs under licence in VW Kassel factory for EU cars. Not sure about US market but probably made in the BW plant then fitted in Mexico!



 

 

 

 




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  #2210080 3-Apr-2019 12:21
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Coil:

 

myopinion: Wow this thread has issues. First all Porsche owners are stereotyped as stuck up now Volvo is not what it used to be as its Chinese owned. Nice bit of racism there.

 

Firstly it is a fact and not racism in any regard, people who go around calling racism when it is not should have a label slapped on them equally as heavy as a racist. 

 

Fred99:

 

Then consider that a compact VW/Audi with auto transmission, DSG essentially made by US Borg Warner, but OTOH a US Ford with equivalent to DSG has a German Getreg box.

 

 

All of them are BorgWarner designs under licence in VW Kassel factory for EU cars. Not sure about US market but probably made in the BW plant then fitted in Mexico!



 

 

 

 

 

 

It kind of is, and it kind of isn't, one can argue both ways. It's like people making fun of Russians, or any other ethnicity.

 

But certain name calling have a dark history of cruel oppression, those are obvious when they are called out.

 

With regards to the Chinese comment, there is a history (and ongoing!) of Chinese products making low quality products - fact; OTOH there is also a history of oppressive treatment of Asian migrants or people with Asian features around the world - fact. If you can separate the two, then I guess the comment was ok, if you cannot separate the two, the comment was not ok. If it was ok, it's no different to calling out Jap imports. 

 

Both are correct and wrong at the same time. 

 

Let's move on.


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