EU cars will have black box and speeding detection

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#2946117 25-Jul-2022 09:21

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My daughter failed hers 2nd time up because she took a bend too quick that made it uncomfortable for the instructer, I'm still looking through the road code to find which particular section of the act she breached! The instructor then handed her a business card for more driving lessons. Conflict of interest / self serving much?

If she took a bend too fast it could relate to how far she could see and being able to stop or maybe inconsiderate driving extends to your own passengers as well as other vehicles.

Truck drivers for companies like Fonterra already have black box recorders and limiters. In the case of Fonterra the information is sent back to the company in real time. I don't see any privacy issues stopping it spreading to general vehicles.

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#2946133 25-Jul-2022 09:43

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My daughter failed hers 2nd time up because she took a bend too quick that made it uncomfortable for the instructer, I'm still looking through the road code to find which particular section of the act she breached! The instructor then handed her a business card for more driving lessons. Conflict of interest / self serving much?

If she took a bend too fast it could relate to how far she could see and being able to stop or maybe inconsiderate driving extends to your own passengers as well as other vehicles.

Truck drivers for companies like Fonterra already have black box recorders and limiters. In the case of Fonterra the information is sent back to the company in real time. I don't see any privacy issues stopping it spreading to general vehicles.

The trouble is in this case the decision on whether or not it was uncomfortably fast is very subjective. What each of us might consider OK or not OK might be quite different. I'd go as far to say if that was the only reason given then a post test discussion along with giving a pass would have been the correct course of action. The examiner was looking for business.

Re black boxes in general vehicles, they're already there, you just don't hear about them very much.

This is the case I was referring to in an earlier post.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/black-box-helps-win-conviction/5KUH6OVULSODQRBV4VXC6TSUWE/

Nearly every car built today has them.

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#2946184 25-Jul-2022 13:12

Yes and no in that case. It was not the only evidence.

NZHerald: She convicted him, saying there was enough evidence to prove the charge even without the use of the module's data.

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#2946190 25-Jul-2022 13:27

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My daughter failed hers 2nd time up because she took a bend too quick that made it uncomfortable for the instructer, I'm still looking through the road code to find which particular section of the act she breached! The instructor then handed her a business card for more driving lessons. Conflict of interest / self serving much?

If she took a bend too fast it could relate to how far she could see and being able to stop or maybe inconsiderate driving extends to your own passengers as well as other vehicles.

Truck drivers for companies like Fonterra already have black box recorders and limiters. In the case of Fonterra the information is sent back to the company in real time. I don't see any privacy issues stopping it spreading to general vehicles.

Quite a few HGV I've followed have carried "this vehicle is fitted with a speed limiter" decals.

E-Road monitor many aspects of vehicle dynamics. A friend who worked for a nationwide road maintenance regularly received notifications of excess speed activities and I believe that OMV/Todd company vehicles monitor acceleration, braking and lateral forces (excessive cornering speed) which the companies use to implement inhouse safety measures. For example their private roading accessing gas/oil well sites have a 20km/h limit implemented which vehicle monitoring is used to enforce.

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#2946191 25-Jul-2022 13:30

Our Toyota Rav 4 has a system that tells you you to obey all traffic regulations as soon as you go 1k/ph over the limit. It is loud and interrupts phone conversations. It also thinks that one must travel at no more than 50k/ph all the way down a motorway on ramp/merge lane. It could be turned off but there is no mention of how in the manual. Finally did a google search and after a deep dive into the settings we were able to turn her voice off.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2946215 25-Jul-2022 14:26

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Quite a few HGV I've followed have carried "this vehicle is fitted with a speed limiter" decals.

It's also increasingly common for fleet cars (e.g. DHB, city councils) & buses to be fitted with real-time speed & accelerometer monitors. Another company that sells this service is Smartrak.

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#2946231 25-Jul-2022 15:17

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HarmLessSolutions:

Quite a few HGV I've followed have carried "this vehicle is fitted with a speed limiter" decals.

It's also increasingly common for fleet cars (e.g. DHB, city councils) & buses to be fitted with real-time speed & accelerometer monitors. Another company that sells this service is Smartrak.

The fun police are poping up everywhere. 😇 Just as well this stuff wasn't around 30 or so years ago. All the drifting on gravel roads in the NZPO/Telecom wagon............

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#2947098 27-Jul-2022 20:43

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HarmLessSolutions:

Quite a few HGV I've followed have carried "this vehicle is fitted with a speed limiter" decals.

It's also increasingly common for fleet cars (e.g. DHB, city councils) & buses to be fitted with real-time speed & accelerometer monitors. Another company that sells this service is Smartrak.

Had a rental that did this once. Drove me balmy. Auckland roads do not lend themselves to hyper-fixation-on-speed-limits.

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#2947133 27-Jul-2022 22:34

NZTA are investigating the applicability of this for NZ.

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#2947137 27-Jul-2022 22:52

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NZTA are investigating the applicability of this for NZ.

Pity NZTA can't do the basics to an acceptable standard before getting involved in stuff like this.

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#2947146 27-Jul-2022 23:25

The loaner I have from AA which is a kia stonic has the most horrid lane keep assist, and it turns back on everytime you use the car.

At least I was able to disable the music volume turning down in reverse and the reminder to check the back seat when turning the car off, but this damn lane keep assist. It barely ever goes green and when it does it keeps trying to correct my line thru the corner. I thought it just had crap power steering at first but no, its intentional. Not sure the surgey power delivery and revs changing up and down despite the tacho sitting solid on a number is something that can be turned off.

I wonder how bad the speed limit detection will be, how long till it is out of date if its a static database, and if it has cameras how good they are at reading the signs. Because if a car has a database of limits and its out of date, the car then becomes a hazard on the road. And not everyone will be paying to keep a data connection on cars or pay for updated maps after they're out of the support timeframe.

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#2947193 28-Jul-2022 09:02

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NZTA are investigating the applicability of this for NZ.

If that is correct I'd put money on it that it will be an intergal part of a distance based RUC monitoring system for all vehicles.

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#2947194 28-Jul-2022 09:05

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I wonder how bad the speed limit detection will be, how long till it is out of date if its a static database, and if it has cameras how good they are at reading the signs. Because if a car has a database of limits and its out of date, the car then becomes a hazard on the road. And not everyone will be paying to keep a data connection on cars or pay for updated maps after they're out of the support timeframe.

It can't be a static database - variable speed limits are a thing. In Queensland, the road authority has been doing self-driving car trials and the issues they've run into would be very relevant with this type of device, including a particularly concerning case where the vehicle sees a school bus on the motorway, which due to the "Speed Limit 40 When Bus Stopped" decal (which actually has the speed limit design!) resulted in the car immediately decelerating to 40km/hr in 100km/hr traffic!

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#2947195 28-Jul-2022 09:08

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I wonder how bad the speed limit detection will be, how long till it is out of date if its a static database, and if it has cameras how good they are at reading the signs. Because if a car has a database of limits and its out of date, the car then becomes a hazard on the road. And not everyone will be paying to keep a data connection on cars or pay for updated maps after they're out of the support timeframe.

The speed advisory sign recognition system in our Polestar2 is impressively accurate. It 'sees' the 30kmh roadworks signs. The only slip-up I've noticed was yesterday when it failed to 'see' a 30kmh sign that had been partly blown down so was leaning back at better than 45 degrees otherwise the system seems fool proof.

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#2947206 28-Jul-2022 09:34

The speed sign detection camera in my car (Ford Escape) are very good. The only thing they can’t do is differentiate between a regular speed sign and a school zone sign. It thinks I need to do 40km/hr past a scroll at 9pm.

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