Public consultation on the EV RUC bill now open. Closes 12pm Thursday, 07 March 2024.

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scuwp

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#3203823 6-Mar-2024 16:34

richms:

I have submitted that they should delete the label requirements because it is pointless hassle.

It's not pointless at all. The label is the only way the owner can check if they are current, and it is used by Police for enforcement.

A tech solution could sort that out, but that costs money. Not sure how that would fly with all this trimming going on.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#3203826 6-Mar-2024 16:38

scuwp:

It's not pointless at all. The label is the only way the owner can check if they are current, and it is used by Police for enforcement.

A tech solution could sort that out, but that costs money. Not sure how that would fly with all this trimming going on.

They already have that information before they get out of the car when they pull you over or get thru the breath testing at the "random" stops that they do.

UK has dropped tax discs from their cars so they have nothing on them to show that they're current any more.

Owners can check they are current from the receipt email from buying it online, or if they like to go see someone in person the receipt that they're given. Not up to the govt to hand hold people with terrible organizational skills.

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#3203857 6-Mar-2024 18:52

scuwp:

....... The label is the only way the owner can check if they are current, and it is used by Police for enforcement.

Almost entirely true, if you head to https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/v2/replacement-labels type your License plate it it will display the current Rego, and RUC.

I am guessing it wouldn't be hard for them to just add the RUC into this page https://transact.nzta.govt.nz/transactions/CheckExpiry/entry where you can check WOF and REGO.

There is no need for it to be in the windscreen, as it cant be checked if valid if vehicle is parked, and police may visually check it upon pulling over, but I would guess that they have the info electronically at hand if needed on the side of the road..

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#3204594 8-Mar-2024 16:36

In person submissions were heard today, video online:

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/scl/transport-and-infrastructure/news-archive/watch-public-meetings-of-the-transport-and-infrastructure-committee/?fbclid=IwAR2ivNIdOnWcWBWx_wSLwq5bIYS0RmO6AwSe5pGf3Y77n_Q7res1cH0Hw4M

I have only watched the first speaker so far. Really clear submission.

Key points from that one speaker:

This legislation does not set RUC rates, but is the enabling legislation for RUC rates to be set elsewhere. If differential BEV & FCEV are to have their on RUC rates it would need to be enabled in this legislation.
many people considering owning EV's are likely doing so for either for environmental or running cost saving reasons, hence the more likely thing for them to be cross shopping against is the more efficient petrol (i.e. petrol hybrids)
The impact incentives have on behavior is big, that's why we bother with stuff like the ETS
Amount of road tax an EV will pay under the current proposal is about $500 more a year than a peer petrol hybrid
That impact is value is 4x +? greater than the amount of ETS fees the petrol hybrid will pay
Concern about whiplash in the industry causing difficulty with a smooth transition. EV's going from significantly incentivised to significantly disincentivised, then to neutral when RUC's is rolled out to all vehicles.

An anecdote from her uber driver who stated that the impact was so significant they would park up their tesla, and use a petrol hybrid instead.

Assume other submitters will have a mix of viewpoints.

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#3204621 8-Mar-2024 18:01

The motor vehicle industry representative acting for two different industry groups submitted from about 1:11.

First submission, used the term "penalty on a plug", and basically said that the current proposed rates would mean that consumer would no longer have choice [number of EV's on the market in NZ is going to drop as brands pull models out]

Suggested $60/1000km as this works out even for the average petrol or petrol hybrid new vehicle imported over the last 24 months. Acknowledged petrol hybrid cars would be paying way less than that, but justified the mix as this is what consumers have chosen.

[personally I don't think EV buyers are cross shopping with v8 mustangs, Ranger raptors & the other most thirsty petrol car's, so feel using the average is still not going to create a level incentive.]

Second submission (a new car industry group), stated that they anticipated and planned for the end of the clean car discount, and the introduction of RUC's but not at $76/1000km. And the result plug in cars are now near impossible for their members to sell.

Stated many members are locked into orders from 9 - 12 months ago that they are still coming but they are scared they won't be able to move, so the industry is basically collectively avoiding more EV stock, and soon consumers will have much fewer options.

In questions with this submission as asked if $60 would be enough, said "I hope so" less would be better, and zero would be better for PHEV's.

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