Public consultation on the EV RUC bill now open. Closes 12pm Thursday, 07 March 2024.

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#311993 5-Mar-2024 23:10

https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/sc/make-a-submission/document/54SCTIN_SCF_60F18385-F31E-4C3E-1DBA-08DC38A90C66/road-user-charges-light-electric-ruc-vehicles-amendment

Published today, closing Thursday, which I understand is an abnormally short consultation period.

Bill itself doesn't seem referenced in the above link, but can be found here:

https://legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2024/0025/latest/whole.html#LMS939741

This is people opportunity to submit their opinion directly, on a topic there has been a lot of discussion. (regardless if you support, oppose, or want to suggest changes)

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#3203530 5-Mar-2024 23:20

Cheers! I've also passed it onto a few people. This is a super short consultation period and seems like another thing they want to get "rushed in".

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#3203532 5-Mar-2024 23:25

Some new content in the bill we haven't seen before.

The rational for exempting electric motorbikes:

Plan to also exempt electric ATV's (for consistency with diesel ATV's):

Rational for changing existing legislation to PHEV's can't claim back petrol tax:

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#3203533 5-Mar-2024 23:30

Published: 5 March

Closing: 7 March

Regardless of what side of the fence anyone is on with this topic, I think we can all agree that is a pathetic and unjustifiably short window for submissions.

My views are as unique as a unicorn riding a unicycle. They do not reflect the opinions of my employer, my cat, or the sentient coffee machine in the break room.

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#3203534 5-Mar-2024 23:36

michaelmurfy:

Cheers! I've also passed it onto a few people. This is a super short consultation period and seems like another thing they want to get "rushed in".

I think it is somewhat fair for the government to rush this one. It's either that or go against their campaign promises and add another small extension to the EV RUC exemption to allow the process not to be rushed.

Ideally the decision between kicking the can down the road with another extension, or legislation to allow for the transition of EV's into the RUC system should have been made at least 9 months ago, allowing time for long consultation periods etc. But of course the election etc.

(not trying to place blame here, elections get in the way of law making regardless of who is in power)

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#3203537 5-Mar-2024 23:50

Submitted. Feel free to post or remix this if anyone needs an example:

The proposed rate of $76 for every 1000km for electric vehicles is highly unsuitable when compared to the costs incurred by petrol vehicles. Petrol vehicle owners pay a fuel excise of 70 cents for every litre, and considering the fuel efficiency of modern cars is about 5 litres per 100km, this results in a tax of $35 per 1000km based on a petrol price of $2.79 per litre. This is significantly lower than the electric vehicle rate of $76 per 1000km.

To ensure electric vehicles are not disadvantaged, it's crucial to either increase the fuel excise tax for petrol vehicles or reduce the Road User Charges (RUC) for zero-emission vehicles to align with or be lower than what is effectively paid by petrol vehicles.

Looks like it has been shared to the majority of EV groups out there along with examples so hopefully they get a few submissions.

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#3203561 6-Mar-2024 06:46

Submitted. They don't make it easy, ridiculous timeframe for consultation, google captcha rejected 3 attempts before finally working.

I guess they do not want to deal with any submissions.

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#3203570 6-Mar-2024 07:25

When it’s next election time: “We consulted the public on those changes”.

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#3203581 6-Mar-2024 07:51

very light EV like e-bikes?

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#3203586 6-Mar-2024 08:27

michaelmurfy:

Submitted. Feel free to post or remix this if anyone needs an example:

The proposed rate of $76 for every 1000km for electric vehicles is highly unsuitable when compared to the costs incurred by petrol vehicles. Petrol vehicle owners pay a fuel excise of 70 cents for every litre, and considering the fuel efficiency of modern cars is about 5 litres per 100km, this results in a tax of $35 per 1000km based on a petrol price of $2.79 per litre. This is significantly lower than the electric vehicle rate of $76 per 1000km.

To ensure electric vehicles are not disadvantaged, it's crucial to either increase the fuel excise tax for petrol vehicles or reduce the Road User Charges (RUC) for zero-emission vehicles to align with or be lower than what is effectively paid by petrol vehicles.

Looks like it has been shared to the majority of EV groups out there along with examples so hopefully they get a few submissions.

Which petrol cars are getting 5l/100km? From what I can find, average real world is closer to 9l/100km.

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#3203609 6-Mar-2024 09:29

Interesting to see in the RIS that a partial RUC rate for PHEV's was already planned for by the previous Govt. And that the refund's for PHEV's was only until legislation on partial rates was passed (Nov 24). I did not realise that.

From https://www.transport.govt.nz//assets/Uploads/EV-RUC-redacted-for-web.pdf

The previous government agreed to mitigate this by amending the Road User
Charges Act 2012 (the RUC Act) to allow for the establishment of a partial rate for
PHEVs (likely between $50-$60 per 1000km). If you agree to progress a partial rate,
the standard legislative timeframe would see it enacted in November 2024. The table
below provides an indicative process and timeframe for passing that Bill.

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#3203610 6-Mar-2024 09:31

throbb: Which petrol cars are getting 5l/100km? From what I can find, average real world is closer to 9l/100km.

My old Suzuki Swift was one of them. The likes of the Toyota Aqua Hybrid, Mazda 2, Suzuki Ignis, BMW X1 iDrive just to list a few from memory. All comparable to a Nissan Leaf but the difference is the Leaf is not a 3.5T truck.

Let's keep this discussion out of it though as there is a perfectly suitable thread for that where the same debates have also been bought up by the same people...

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#3203667 6-Mar-2024 10:06

Batman:

very light EV like e-bikes?

No, not electric pedal bikes,

it's for E-scooters and the like,

Things like Chinese E-mopeds all the way through to things like the streetdog and UBCo's

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#3203669 6-Mar-2024 10:10

Submitted.
I didn't have to pass a Captcha test? 😀

throbb:
Which petrol cars are getting 5l/100km? From what I can find, average real world is closer to 9l/100km

My current car (Honda Jazz/Fit Hybrid) usually runs 4.5 to 4.7l/100km. On a full tank to full tank fuel cycle, it has never used more than 4.9l/100km.
My previous two cars (Mazda 2 / Demio ICE) were much thirstier, using 6.4 to 6.8l/100km, never more than 7l/100km.
The last time I had a car (a Subaru Legacy) which used as much as 9l/100km would have been more than twenty years ago.