Nissan LEAF - General

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#2602569 12-Nov-2020 11:55

2014 24X owner here. So far just above 80% SOH and my commute is quite chunky >80km (UH-Wellington with a car pooler pickup/dropoff), it gets me down to <15% on the coldest days in winter. So far so good and I anticipate 3-4 more years of use for me personally. It uses approx $1-2 of clean green power for a round trip commute.

In terms of longer range we have an ICE car - for now. However this thing has been used for multiple Wellington - Palmerston north trips (charge to 80% in Otaki), gotta love that $25 round trip.

After 3-4 years? I'm an outlier using it at its max range, so it'll suit someone in lower hutt or porirua just fine while I either swap for a higher SOH or a bigger battery. And after that - they'll serve someone's solar project well.

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#2602573 12-Nov-2020 11:58

ermat: .... Yes that's my point, probably average 6 years fuel on smaller ICE. How many years left in a leaf battery after 6 years ?

My Leaf is 9 years old and at this rate has another 3-6 years left in the battery.

How often do you hear of people replacing Leaf batteries? In Dugimodo's case he was upgrading not repairing. It gets talked about because it is novel. Both ICE engines and Leaf battery replacement is the exception in young cars, but the older the car, the more inevitable it becomes. Engines and gear boxes aren't cheap or fun to change, but the country is littered with 100's or 1,000's of wrecker yards salvaging them and mechanics workshops reinstalling them every working day of the year. It is so normal nobody questions it, but what is the difference if the equivalent happens for EV batteries? It would keep all those wreckers and mechanics employed!

In the case of EV's the batteries are in hot demand for non vehicular use which keeps the salvaged prices high. This is a problem ICE don't have (because their components are one-trick ponies) and something that should, but doesn't, silence arm-chair critics who flog the battery recycling dead-horse.

People seem to hold early-to-market EV's to a higher standard and seem to have forgotten that for the first 50 years of the car's history you had overhaul the engines every ~60,000 miles. It wasn't until the 1970's when the Japanese started using motor cycle technology in cars that piston engines started lasting 2/3/400,000 km. Nobody says the first mass produced petrol car was no-good because the motor didn't last for ever and was expensive to replace but some are super critical of the first mass produced (and least developed) EV.

Every new product, from phones to food, aircraft, combine harvesters and cars goes through improvement cycles. Smart people never buy the first generation of a vehicle expecting it to the be the pinnacle of all that ever will be.

@morrisk kiwi's confuse environmentalism with NIMBY-ism and anti-industrialism. The anti-emissions audience is consequently very small in this country.

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#2602575 12-Nov-2020 12:00

Yes that's my point, probably average 6 years fuel on smaller ICE. How many years left in a leaf battery after 6 years ?

Our 2014 24kWh LEAF's battery is at 94.72% having done 35,000km in the 3 years we've had it (it got to us with 600km).

That car might just be the last we ever buy - assuming we can squeeze another 25+ years out of it. ;)

An outlier sure, but so is that Fair Go car.

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#2602583 12-Nov-2020 12:06

duckInferno:

2014 24X owner here. So far just above 80% SOH and my commute is quite chunky >80km (UH-Wellington with a car pooler pickup/dropoff), it gets me down to <15% on the coldest days in winter. So far so good and I anticipate 3-4 more years of use for me personally. It uses approx $1-2 of clean green power for a round trip commute.

In terms of longer range we have an ICE car - for now. However this thing has been used for multiple Wellington - Palmerston north trips (charge to 80% in Otaki), gotta love that $25 round trip.

After 3-4 years? I'm an outlier using it at its max range, so it'll suit someone in lower hutt or porirua just fine while I either swap for a higher SOH or a bigger battery. And after that - they'll serve someone's solar project well.

Likewise, 2015 30X owner with 76% SOH and 115,000km on it. 110km daily commute, the last part of which is nearly vertical. So we will be looking to upgrade next year to a newer EV. Might even be that MG if all the stars align. Complicating factor is that our second car - an old Pajero - has just limped it's last 50m to the wreckers but even so an EV swap is still the plan for next year.

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#2602607 12-Nov-2020 12:48

Dugimodo:

As much as I loved my leaf and the year I had with it I have now sold it and bought a hybrid, I don't want to own 2 cars and I need a bit more range to live with an EV as my only transport. Once second hand EV's with > 200km range become affordable I'm definitely going back to one.

I totally get why you did this, but equally I think the number of households in which a relatively low-range EV would work fine is enormous, in particular those where both partners own and drive a car. How many of these require two cars that have unlimited range?

We’re a classic example of this - my wife drives a Leaf, and it’s out primary means of getting around in the weekends etc; I retain an ICE car (which will be replaced by a hybrid, unless my weekly investment plan, ie Lotto, pays out, so I can instead buy a long-range EV!) for long distance driving. A perfect combination that would work for so many, provided they can get over the fear etc.

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#2602615 12-Nov-2020 12:58

SaltyNZ:

Likewise, 2015 30X owner with 76% SOH and 115,000km on it. 110km daily commute, the last part of which is nearly vertical. So we will be looking to upgrade next year to a newer EV. Might even be that MG if all the stars align. Complicating factor is that our second car - an old Pajero - has just limped it's last 50m to the wreckers but even so an EV swap is still the plan for next year.

@SaltyNZ on a slight tangent, why can't one of the 2degrees sign up "turn 2020 around" rewards be a $250 ChargeNet voucher rather than a Z fuel voucher? 😉

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#2602617 12-Nov-2020 13:00

Obraik:

SaltyNZ:

Likewise, 2015 30X owner with 76% SOH and 115,000km on it. 110km daily commute, the last part of which is nearly vertical. So we will be looking to upgrade next year to a newer EV. Might even be that MG if all the stars align. Complicating factor is that our second car - an old Pajero - has just limped it's last 50m to the wreckers but even so an EV swap is still the plan for next year.

@SaltyNZ on a slight tangent, why can't one of the 2degrees sign up "turn 2020 around" rewards be a $250 ChargeNet voucher rather than a Z fuel voucher? 😉

Ha! I didn't even know we were doing Z Fuel vouchers ... Promos are Someone Else's Job. :-D

But that's an excellent suggestion. I am going to ask them about that.

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#2602626 12-Nov-2020 13:06

A $250 Chargenet voucher would last me about 4 years! Like a prize of 250 litres of ice cream you'd need to send it out in smaller denominations so that it could be shared with friends and family.

DumKopf

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#2602627 12-Nov-2020 13:08

Re:Fair Go

What's weird about that article is that her car's battery had a good SoH. If I remember rightly, there was no discussion about how much range she's actually getting?

I think it came down to having massive range anxiety.

I have my dashboard displaying battery percent in massive digits on my dash. That thing ticks down like a percent a minute (roughly), which at first I was like that's not right, I'm literally watching this thing tick down right in front of me. But then you quickly work out that's actually 100 minutes of driving time, and you're still going to make great range in over an hour and a half of driving.

I don't think she ever got over her range anxiety and just wants 400km range like her old car. I bet she drives it to her letter box and back then plugs it back in overnight.

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#2602628 12-Nov-2020 13:10

Probably about 18 months for us; most months we spend about $10-$20 on ChargeNet just to avoid waiting in a queue for a Vector charger. Ironically of course with a newer EV with a bigger battery, that'll probably go down to $0!

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#2602671 12-Nov-2020 13:48

Obraik:

SaltyNZ:

Likewise, 2015 30X owner with 76% SOH and 115,000km on it. 110km daily commute, the last part of which is nearly vertical. So we will be looking to upgrade next year to a newer EV. Might even be that MG if all the stars align. Complicating factor is that our second car - an old Pajero - has just limped it's last 50m to the wreckers but even so an EV swap is still the plan for next year.

@SaltyNZ on a slight tangent, why can't one of the 2degrees sign up "turn 2020 around" rewards be a $250 ChargeNet voucher rather than a Z fuel voucher? 😉

According to my sources, the answer is that we are using GiftStation to provide a choice of gift cards as prizes, and they don't have ChargeNet vouchers.

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#2602673 12-Nov-2020 13:49

If I'm road tripping I can end up spending around $32-$40 per ChargeNet stop. I plan on doing a road trip from Auckland to Cape Reinga over the summer so I'll probably end up using near half that value - assuming I don't end up in hotels/motels with charging capabilities.

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duckInferno

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#2602686 12-Nov-2020 13:58

DumKopf:

Re:Fair Go

What's weird about that article is that her car's battery had a good SoH. If I remember rightly, there was no discussion about how much range she's actually getting?

I think it came down to having massive range anxiety.

I have my dashboard displaying battery percent in massive digits on my dash. That thing ticks down like a percent a minute (roughly), which at first I was like that's not right, I'm literally watching this thing tick down right in front of me. But then you quickly work out that's actually 100 minutes of driving time, and you're still going to make great range in over an hour and a half of driving.

I don't think she ever got over her range anxiety and just wants 400km range like her old car. I bet she drives it to her letter box and back then plugs it back in overnight.

Her SOH was 69% at purchase and 64% or something when she got it read - I wouldn't call that good at all.

Fair Go didn't actually point this out at all but she got ripped off. A 2011 with 69% SOH for $13,000 from a dealer... that should have been $8.5k max.

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#2614324 1-Dec-2020 19:18

We've reached the point where we need another vehicle as we head different directions during the weekend for kids sport etc... I've read nearly all the pages in this thread over the years so pretty comfortable with what I'm looking at battery/SOH/KMs wise. But I'm just looking for recommendations on what model/year we should be looking for, currently my thinking is a 2014/15 X or G, or should I look at something 15/16/17? Many of the newer years seems to have quite a few quick charges on them. I'm in Wellington but am happy to purchase wherever if it's the right value.

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#2614335 1-Dec-2020 19:46

mrdrifter:

We've reached the point where we need another vehicle as we head different directions during the weekend for kids sport etc... I've read nearly all the pages in this thread over the years so pretty comfortable with what I'm looking at battery/SOH/KMs wise. But I'm just looking for recommendations on what model/year we should be looking for, currently my thinking is a 2014/15 X or G, or should I look at something 15/16/17? Many of the newer years seems to have quite a few quick charges on them. I'm in Wellington but am happy to purchase wherever if it's the right value.

Very happy with our 2015 G; I specified I wanted the Autech with LED headlights. It had an 86% SOH with full bars when we bought it, and around Dunedin we get about 100km range at 80% charge.

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