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#1992018 9-Apr-2018 14:08

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Take one for a drive, then you'll know.

I have.

IMO most cars are boring / uninteresting.

If you want something "interesting", be it an AMG MB, M series BMW, Nissan GTR, RS Audi, etc, then eventually it's going to cost dearly to own it - be that due to massive depreciation and/or inevitable maintenance issues. There's no free lunch (possible exception Tesla S P*D models).

Those cars are of course utterly futile on NZ roads, but that doesn't hinder boys with their toys.

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#1992029 9-Apr-2018 14:24

Fred99:

networkn:

Take one for a drive, then you'll know.

I have.

IMO most cars are boring / uninteresting.

If you want something "interesting", be it an AMG MB, M series BMW, Nissan GTR, RS Audi, etc, then eventually it's going to cost dearly to own it - be that due to massive depreciation and/or inevitable maintenance issues. There's no free lunch (possible exception Tesla S P*D models).

Those cars are of course utterly futile on NZ roads, but that doesn't hinder boys with their toys.

They must put some kind of pheromones in the new car scent, because all the flaws of the car including for example crazy harsh ride quality and jet engine loud road noise, seems to be masked by the scent, which becomes extremely painful once the scent wears off.

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#1992049 9-Apr-2018 14:37

Batman:

Fred99:

networkn:

Take one for a drive, then you'll know.

I have.

IMO most cars are boring / uninteresting.

If you want something "interesting", be it an AMG MB, M series BMW, Nissan GTR, RS Audi, etc, then eventually it's going to cost dearly to own it - be that due to massive depreciation and/or inevitable maintenance issues. There's no free lunch (possible exception Tesla S P*D models).

Those cars are of course utterly futile on NZ roads, but that doesn't hinder boys with their toys.

They must put some kind of pheromones in the new car scent, because all the flaws of the car including for example crazy harsh ride quality and jet engine loud road noise, seems to be masked by the scent, which becomes extremely painful once the scent wears off.

Stick with the factory tyres and suspension then you won't get any of that stuff outside of the RS type models. If you want a race car get one because you want a hard ride and road noise. If you want a luxury car get one and you will not get any of those detractions.

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#1992059 9-Apr-2018 14:44

networkn:

MikeB4: Hyundai are very good vehicles with very dealerr backing. They are well put together and very reliable. Mercedes on the other hand has woeful reliability and terrible backing.

Do you have any evidence to support your claims about Mercedes? As someone with a LOT of clients with Mercs, I have never heard a bad word said about them.

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#1992068 9-Apr-2018 14:56

MikeB4:

The concept of the DSG is still the same, two clutches trying to work out what is required of them next for the gears they are responsible for. On the track or on the freeway that is easy and predictable. In the city, in a hilly city, on a clogged urban motorway it is not and the box gets confused. Also invariably folks who drive them think they are an automatic and do things like use the transmission to hold the vehicle in hill starts or sit in queues with it in 'D' the smell of burning clutch plates is not sweet not to mention the thrusters etc.

I briefly drove a DSG around town in a Skoda. Put your foot down and it works out what is happening but my god, making my way around the city was awful for gear changes. IMO it's downshifting/engine braking on some downhills was over the top for a road car.

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#1992072 9-Apr-2018 14:59

sdav:

MikeB4:

The concept of the DSG is still the same, two clutches trying to work out what is required of them next for the gears they are responsible for. On the track or on the freeway that is easy and predictable. In the city, in a hilly city, on a clogged urban motorway it is not and the box gets confused. Also invariably folks who drive them think they are an automatic and do things like use the transmission to hold the vehicle in hill starts or sit in queues with it in 'D' the smell of burning clutch plates is not sweet not to mention the thrusters etc.

I briefly drove a DSG around town in a Skoda. Put your foot down and it works out what is happening but my god, making my way around the city was awful for gear changes. IMO it's downshifting/engine braking on some downhills was over the top for a road car.

The stop start stuff in cities is very hard on DSG transmissions.

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#1992087 9-Apr-2018 15:25

Mazda produced quite a good chart explaining advantages/disadvantages of the three common standard auto transmission types:

This of course a sales pitch for their Skyactiv transmission, which is basically a conventional "slushbox" Step AT, but instead of having torque-converter lock up clutches activate only on the top gear ratio, they have a much larger clutch which locks up the torque converter on all forward gears giving a more direct drive feel and all other things being equal, improved economy almost matching DCT. I thought this was asking for trouble as the extra wear on friction plates in the torque converter clutches probably means more debris circulating and possibly more heat build-up in normal operation, however they seem to be a good robust compromise - work well and I'm not aware that they've had any major issues.

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#1992088 9-Apr-2018 15:25

1cloud:

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mp onto YouTube and search ' Auto expert John Cadogan ' and watch his reviews they are very direct

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I dislike this guy the most, he must be one of the most annoying people on YouTube - more opinionated than factual.

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#1992104 9-Apr-2018 15:43

kryptonjohn:

Batman:

Fred99:

networkn:

Take one for a drive, then you'll know.

I have.

IMO most cars are boring / uninteresting.

If you want something "interesting", be it an AMG MB, M series BMW, Nissan GTR, RS Audi, etc, then eventually it's going to cost dearly to own it - be that due to massive depreciation and/or inevitable maintenance issues. There's no free lunch (possible exception Tesla S P*D models).

Those cars are of course utterly futile on NZ roads, but that doesn't hinder boys with their toys.

They must put some kind of pheromones in the new car scent, because all the flaws of the car including for example crazy harsh ride quality and jet engine loud road noise, seems to be masked by the scent, which becomes extremely painful once the scent wears off.

Stick with the factory tyres and suspension then you won't get any of that stuff outside of the RS type models. If you want a race car get one because you want a hard ride and road noise. If you want a luxury car get one and you will not get any of those detractions.

That's not true unless it's a Toyota.

I've sat in people's new cars which are FACTORY stock everything. I can name things that are loud and/OR harsh, but cannot recall exactly which years

- Honda Civic

- Mazda 3

Mazda CX5

Hyundai Santa Fe (first gen)

Nissan X Trail (Factory 18" wheels, should have given me 17")

Subaru Legacy 18" wheels factory

So when I see a BMW or Audi with 20" wheels stock and 22" option ... I wonder what it'd be like ..........

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#1992108 9-Apr-2018 15:49

Batman:

kryptonjohn:

Batman:

Fred99:

networkn:

Take one for a drive, then you'll know.

I have.

IMO most cars are boring / uninteresting.

If you want something "interesting", be it an AMG MB, M series BMW, Nissan GTR, RS Audi, etc, then eventually it's going to cost dearly to own it - be that due to massive depreciation and/or inevitable maintenance issues. There's no free lunch (possible exception Tesla S P*D models).

Those cars are of course utterly futile on NZ roads, but that doesn't hinder boys with their toys.

They must put some kind of pheromones in the new car scent, because all the flaws of the car including for example crazy harsh ride quality and jet engine loud road noise, seems to be masked by the scent, which becomes extremely painful once the scent wears off.

Stick with the factory tyres and suspension then you won't get any of that stuff outside of the RS type models. If you want a race car get one because you want a hard ride and road noise. If you want a luxury car get one and you will not get any of those detractions.

That's not true unless it's a Toyota.

I've sat in people's new cars which are FACTORY stock everything. I can name things that are loud and/OR harsh, but cannot recall exactly which years

- Honda Civic

- Mazda 3

Mazda CX5

Hyundai Santa Fe (first gen)

Nissan X Trail (Factory 18" wheels, should have given me 17")

Subaru Legacy 18" wheels factory

So when I see a BMW or Audi with 20" wheels stock and 22" option ... I wonder what it'd be like ..........

I was talking in the context of the thread - late model Tourareg/Cayenne/X5/A6/5-6-7 series etc. Have driven or been driven in all - minimal road noise and superb ride. Own a Prado and it is massively worse for both ride (boat like) and road noise.

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#1992109 9-Apr-2018 15:49

clevedon:

1cloud:

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mp onto YouTube and search ' Auto expert John Cadogan ' and watch his reviews they are very direct

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i luv this guy

I dislike this guy the most, he must be one of the most annoying people on YouTube - more opinionated than factual.

I also think he is great to watch.

With regard to his videos, you may disagree with his opinions, but the Australian Mercedes customer horror stories can be judged on their own merit.

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#1992120 9-Apr-2018 15:58

Fred99:

MikeB4:

Geektastic: To date the Land Rover has been very reliable.

Most expensive maintenance item was replacement of suspension bushings, which is not a reliability issue.

It could be a reliability issue depending on the distance the vehicle has travelled and over what terrain

Of course it's a reliability issue - it'll cause a WOF fail as well as causing annoying knocks/rattles and alignment/handling issues.

Very common issue on some of the "sportier" Audis etc.

Apologies in advance if I have stuffed up the quote attribution ...

Suspension bushes are a wear and tear item. You can expect to replace them as part of normal maintenance.

It's no more a reliability issue any than e.g. changing brake pads or rotors. Especially if the vehicle works hard.

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#1992160 9-Apr-2018 16:42

MikeAqua:

Fred99:

MikeB4:

Geektastic: To date the Land Rover has been very reliable.

Most expensive maintenance item was replacement of suspension bushings, which is not a reliability issue.

It could be a reliability issue depending on the distance the vehicle has travelled and over what terrain

Of course it's a reliability issue - it'll cause a WOF fail as well as causing annoying knocks/rattles and alignment/handling issues.

Very common issue on some of the "sportier" Audis etc.

Apologies in advance if I have stuffed up the quote attribution ...

Suspension bushes are a wear and tear item. You can expect to replace them as part of normal maintenance.

It's no more a reliability issue any than e.g. changing brake pads or rotors. Especially if the vehicle works hard.

I'd be interested in a hands-up on who's ever needed to replace suspension bushes on their under 10 years old / 200,000km cars.

I'll start with never, although I did need to replace two bushes on a Nissan I owned when it hit about 220,000km and 20 years old.

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#1992166 9-Apr-2018 16:55

Fred99:

I'd be interested in a hands-up on who's ever needed to replace suspension bushes on their under 10 years old / 200,000km cars.

I'll start with never, although I did need to replace two bushes on a Nissan I owned when it hit about 220,000km and 20 years old.

It does depend how the vehicle is being used. If it's regularly used on unsealed corrugated roads, being used off road or being submerged then the wear on the bushes would be greater than those on a vehicle that is being used on sealed roads. If the later and the bushes are being replaced under 100,000 kms then it can well be said to be a reliability issue. If the former then it could be see as wear and tear.

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#1992192 9-Apr-2018 18:03

There's a few alarmists on this thread. I've driven VW 7 speed DSG in a Tiguan. I'm very impressed with the shifting, the smoothness etc. In sport mode it does some funky downshifts! It tows the boat nicely due to it's ultra low 1st gear. If you are aware that it's actually an automated manual it helps not stress the clutch when you're recovering the boat trailer, or backing up a slope.

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