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#2551754 29-Aug-2020 10:04

MikeB4:
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I would love to know what % of the 15% of crashes were are caused by excessive speed, were doing the 101 to 109 they are targeting.

Eg if speed related crashes are 50% doing 110+ and 25% doing "too fast for the conditions" (eg wet roads, doing 90 into a corner you should be doing 70) then they are targeting the cause of 3.75% of crashes. Should drivers doing 101 to 109 really be their focus?

It’s irrelevant, the maximum permissible speed on New Zealand roads 100Kph or 50Kph depending on conditions. They are simply enforcing it.

Some roads in NZ have 110 speed limit

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#2551757 29-Aug-2020 10:07

Reanalyse:

Looks like the police have decided to drop all speed tolerance of the speed limits to zero.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122592414/zero-tolerance-on-speeding-drivers-all-year-round-as-cops-get-tough-on-motorists

Yes the law is the law and we should not speed, for me there is more issue with those who will now crawl along at 30 or 40km/hr to "stay safe" and below the limit.

Not sure how well this will work- enforcement really needs to be respected by those it applies to and no tolerance seems too strict, 5km/hr to me seems fairer but still strict

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Road safety campaigner Clive Matthew-Wilson said this zero tolerance approach would pointlessly alienate ordinary motorists without solving the real problem.

“The current police anti-speeding campaign will never lower the road toll, because it’s targeting the average motorist rather than the high-risk groups.

“That’s like trying to stop bank robberies by targeting shoplifting.”

He said it was actually quite hard to maintain a steady speed in modern turbo-charged cars. .

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#2551815 29-Aug-2020 10:35

I don't know what modern turbo cars Matthew-Wilson is referring to but the most common have small turbos to give torque to smaller capacity engines. They are no harder to stick to a constant speed than any other engine. Yes, deliberately put your foot down to pass and you could easily go past 120. Ours has a selectable limiter that cuts acceleration or sounds an alert if you overspeed downhill. Using the limiter in road works etc is when you find that hardly anyone sticks to those limits.

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#2551882 29-Aug-2020 12:06

Just been for a drive this morning around Christchurch in our non cruise control car and noticed that I was spending more time looking at the speedo than normal. Very easy to drift a couple of k's above 50 without noticing. Normally go with the flow of traffic, which usually seems to be in the 50-55 range. Usually drive at 100-105 on the open road.

Work car has cruise control so I already use that most of the time around town. The speedo reads high compared to GPS, so do I drive slower by setting cruise at 50 and 100 on the speedo, or 53 and 106 to drive at the legal limits?

Speed cameras will probably be cut and dried, but will be interesting to see how the cops out on the road actually enforce this new directive. I wonder how many people will get 1kph fines?

Might have to fit a mount for my iPhone in both cars to use the speedo app I have installed, or just stick to the speedo reading?

Not sure this increased attention to my road speed is going to make me a safer driver???

I see the speed fine for less than 10kph over the limit is $30, and 10 demerit points for over 10kph above speed limit. So, 51kph will be $30 and no demerit points?

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#2551924 29-Aug-2020 14:00

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Bit ridiculous, not everyone has cruise control and we don't need everyone to be watching their speedo more than the road

my car's cruise control, when going up hills, will overcompensate and rocket you up the hill and only stop accelerating about 5kph after it hits the preset speed and by the time it the momentum is over you're about 10kph over the preset speed and that's still going up hill ... if this happens when you crest the summit you're way over.

dumb cars with dumb cvt and dumb electronic throttle and dumb cruise control = *sigh

Bring back manual cars with wire throttle

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#2551936 29-Aug-2020 14:58

afe66: Seem to be easier to look at speedometer than to know if you are just over the drink drive.limit but I don't hear cries of there needing to be tolerance of 5% for drink drive limit.

Unfortunately these threads always go the same way. It's always other peoples driving that is the problem or there is an excuse why they can't follow the law.

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#2551939 29-Aug-2020 15:03

MikeB4:
On a 100k journey the difference between doing the legal maximum (100Kph) and say 95Kph is only a few minutes. On the average commute a few seconds yet people rage over a few seconds or a couple of minutes, it baffles me.

I used to drive a lot in my job. I used to get tickets every 3-4 months. They were no one else's fault, it was my inability to maintain consistent speed and pay attention.

Once I realised that I wasn't a particularly good driver, slowed down a bit and showed a bit more courtesy on the road I stopped getting tickets and driving became much more enjoyable.

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#2551949 29-Aug-2020 15:25

MikeB4:

It’s irrelevant, the maximum permissible speed on New Zealand roads 100Kph or 50Kph depending on conditions. They are simply enforcing it.

Laws are made by humans for humans. Police are legally allowed to exercise discretion - so why not recognise the laws of physics and accept that speeds will vary a little around the limit. Sometimes a bit lower, sometimes a bit higher. There is no maliciousness on the drivers part that makes them deserving of a penalty here. This is just vindictive and petty of the Police.

If police want a lower speed limit, they should campaign for that. I would also argue for a reduction in speed limits on some of our goat tracks, and some residential roads. 50kph down our street is too fast, for example. I usually drive 40kph on our street, even though legally I could push 50.

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#2551957 29-Aug-2020 15:35

The Police do not make or change laws they enforce what Parliament has legislated. They have not lowered the speed limits.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2551973 29-Aug-2020 15:54

MikeB4: The Police do not make or change laws they enforce what Parliament has legislated. They have not lowered the speed limits.

By having no tolerance a lower speed will need to be done to allow for a little variance in speed.
If a 1km/h over the speed limit will be ticketed people will need to drive slower, as I doubt anyone would be able to sit exactly on 50km/h without constantly looking at speedo.

I used cruise control today on flat road, had it set to 50km/h, for about 3 seconds of trip I saw it on 51km/hr. Was using gps to monitor speed, as Speedo shows faster speed then gps.

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#2552002 29-Aug-2020 16:49

NZ drivers

Contempt for speeding limits, contempt for give way signs, contpt for other drivers.

I'm a above average driver.

Wah wah wah, I wanna drive fast, I wanna drive aggressively, I wanna ...

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#2552216 30-Aug-2020 06:52

Bung:
It is based on lower average speeds result in fewer serious accidents.

I'd call BS on that - if it was lower average speeds that they were wanting then they could have lowered the speed limit to 90kph and left their 10kph tolerance in. With no tolerance the expectation must be that every driver on the road can maintain a speed to an exact amount +/- 0kph - that just isn't possible. There is absolutely no need to remove the tolerance if a lower average speed is your goal and really it is easier for motorists to understand that they should be driving slower if you just lower the speed limit. Why choose to remove the tolerance instead of lower the speed limit, unless your goal is to give out more fines rather than to lower the average speed?

Also - we used to have a lower speed limit, it got RAISED! This seems like mixed messages to me. I can't be the only one that remembers when the speed limit got lowered to 80kph (1973), they then put that limit up to 100kph (1985) and now they are saying that they want to lower the average speed? I'm wondering if NZTA doesn't think the speed limit needs to be lowered but the police think it does, so the motorist is caught in the crossfire between these agencies?

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#2552220 30-Aug-2020 07:00

MarkH67: With no tolerance the expectation must be that every driver on the road can maintain a speed to an exact amount +/- 0kph - that just isn't possible.

If you aren't a good enough driver to drive at the speed limit you can always drive slower. No one will give you a ticket for doing 90km/hr in a 100km/hr zone.

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#2552224 30-Aug-2020 07:31

The Police have brought this criticism on themselves. They kept insisting there was no tolerance, yet made ridiculous statements every holiday season saying there would only be a 4kmh^-1 tolerance, immediately confirming what everyone knew.

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#2552225 30-Aug-2020 07:35

In substance their assertion that there was/is no tolerance is correct. The law does not stipulate a tolerance.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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