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#2841694 1-Jan-2022 23:08

This suggests that it's not legal anywhere in the US either, with the exception of cyclists in some states: https://www.quora.com/Are-rolling-stops-legal-at-stop-signs-anywhere-in-the-US

I believe the wording is because not all intersections have a painted line showing where to stop, and 'at the line' is not a very precise definition anyway - how far forward or back can you go before not being 'at the line'?

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#2841698 1-Jan-2022 23:22

Geektastic: "a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed; "

That seems vague.

There are road markings indicating where to stop but this sentence implies that you can choose to stop somewhere else.

its pretty clear

"at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed"

If you come to a complete stop second in the queue and can see traffic, and its clear then its fine to go. you dont have to be at the Yellow line, just able to see its clear.

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#2841702 2-Jan-2022 00:52

Geektastic: "a) stop his or her vehicle before entering the path of any possible vehicle flow at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed; "

That seems vague.

There are road markings indicating where to stop but this sentence implies that you can choose to stop somewhere else.

Those are just a guideline and its very frequent that you have to go further out to get good visibility. Often because people have parked something large closer than 6m to it. They never seem to enforce that or else the parking on an intersection when people park on the opposite side of a T intersection screwing it up when someone stops to turn right.

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#2841704 2-Jan-2022 01:52

Jase2985:

If you come to a complete stop second in the queue and can see traffic, and its clear then its fine to go. you dont have to be at the Yellow line, just able to see its clear.

I don't think I would risk that. It does say you have to be able to see that the pathway is clear, and the police officer stopping you for running the Stop sign will be at his/her discretion wether you were actually able to see it was clear.

Mind you, its so cheap to run stop signs here in NZ (and most other traffic violations) that I guess I should make the most of it.

In Norway the fine for running a stop sign is $1200 NZD. Imagine all the money I will save if I run all stop signs here in NZ.

Seriously though, there is a reason they put up Stop signs, it is so that you take extra care before driving onto or crossing the road you are supposed to give way to.

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#2841705 2-Jan-2022 01:57

By the way. This is a fun little intersection in Paraparaumu Beach.

Am I supposed to do a full stop at the white or yellow line? Or both?

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#2841708 2-Jan-2022 05:51

Stop on the yellow line.

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#2841716 2-Jan-2022 07:58

K8Toledo:

Failing to stop would apply, as in the USA if one were to drive through at speeds over that of a rolling stop.

I just phoned my friend - he is unsure. Said to ask NZTA.

Rolling stops looks like it depends on the State.

https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/22450/

California law says that all drivers must come to a complete stop when stopping at stop signs.

A complete stop is when a vehicle is at a speed of zero. The vehicle is not moving forward.

Rolling stops (or so-called “California stops”) are not permissible under VC 22450. A rolling stop is when a vehicle does not come to a complete stop. The vehicle is still in motion, even at the slightest of speeds.

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#2841717 2-Jan-2022 08:02

Deanonzl:

Stop on the yellow line.

Don't think you can block a pedestrian crossing.

You would stop on the white line.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/road-code/about-driving/stopping-and-parking/stopping-at-intersections-railway-level-crossings-and-pedestrian-crossings/

You must not go into or attempt to cross the intersection, railway level crossing, pedestrian crossing or an area controlled by pedestrian traffic signals, unless there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection or crossing.

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#2841723 2-Jan-2022 08:30

Stop at the white line if you have to to allow pedestrians to cross then stop again before the yellow to comply with the stop sign requirements. If you try to use the earlier stop at the white line as your stop you are bound to get caught by a police car left or right of the intersection who won't see that.

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#2841724 2-Jan-2022 08:31

jarledb:

By the way. This is a fun little intersection in Paraparaumu Beach.

Am I supposed to do a full stop at the white or yellow line? Or both?

I think you would risk being pinged for obstructing the pedestrian crossing...

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#2841725 2-Jan-2022 08:33

blackjack17:

Deanonzl:

Stop on the yellow line.

Don't think you can block a pedestrian crossing.

You would stop on the white line.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/roadcode/general-road-code/road-code/about-driving/stopping-and-parking/stopping-at-intersections-railway-level-crossings-and-pedestrian-crossings/

You must not go into or attempt to cross the intersection, railway level crossing, pedestrian crossing or an area controlled by pedestrian traffic signals, unless there is space for your vehicle on the other side of the intersection or crossing.

In this case that would mean you could never stop at the yellow line, surely? There isn't enough room for a bike between the crossing and the yellow line.

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#2841730 2-Jan-2022 08:51

Geektastic:

In this case that would mean you could never stop at the yellow line, surely? There isn't enough room for a bike between the crossing and the yellow line.

My guess is the yellow indicates the edge of the intersection while the white shows the suggested stopping point.

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#2841734 2-Jan-2022 08:59

You can't avoid stopping on the crossing, it's the only spot with a decent view of cross traffic.

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#2841736 2-Jan-2022 09:05

blackjack17:

Geektastic:

In this case that would mean you could never stop at the yellow line, surely? There isn't enough room for a bike between the crossing and the yellow line.

My guess is the yellow indicates the edge of the intersection while the white shows the suggested stopping point.

don't guess, the white line is where you stop for the pedestrian crossing (give way line) and the yellow is where you stop for the stop at the intersection

Its a poorly designed intersection by the city council. i would struggle to think you could see to the right safely from where the while line is and it breaches the "at such a position as to be able to ascertain whether the way is clear for the driver to proceed"

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#2841738 2-Jan-2022 09:13

jarledb:

I don't think I would risk that. It does say you have to be able to see that the pathway is clear, and the police officer stopping you for running the Stop sign will be at his/her discretion wether you were actually able to see it was clear.

Mind you, its so cheap to run stop signs here in NZ (and most other traffic violations) that I guess I should make the most of it.

In Norway the fine for running a stop sign is $1200 NZD. Imagine all the money I will save if I run all stop signs here in NZ.

Seriously though, there is a reason they put up Stop signs, it is so that you take extra care before driving onto or crossing the road you are supposed to give way to.

if you can see clearly from the second car back and there is nothing coming you are allow to go, doesn't mean you have to go. if you are more cautious then you can crawl up to the yellow line and check again.

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