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#2864644 10-Feb-2022 12:16

dt:

Not sure on that the deal is with p21w lamps but you may need to look at ones that have a resistor in them to your car doesnt show a blown bulb warning[if your car has this feature] as they draw a lot less current than traditional bulbs

Ok, thanks. I think my car does have "a blown bulb warning", never saw it but I think, the car is a bit "smart" 😁

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#2864654 10-Feb-2022 12:29

just hunted out the video I watched a few years back which helped me decide on the GTR Lighting reverse bulbs, I don't think your car will take these though as these have t15 connectors on them but can give you a good idea of the difference

There will be a solution for your bulb type if you decide on going down this route

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWum1FAmsao

its only a minute long but skip to 40 seconds if you want to see the comparison between standard and led

dt

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#2864656 10-Feb-2022 12:34

ahh looks like they do a kit for your bulb type

https://www.gtrlighting.com/gtr-lighting-ultra-led-bulbs-1156?quantity=1

this guys vids helped me out a lot too and this is a specific review on the reversing kit range

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxjSFtin4zY

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#2864657 10-Feb-2022 12:34

Bung:
Ge0rge:>And then be denied insurance because your vehicle was not up to WoF standards when you are involved in an accident.

Fill your boots.

This gets trotted out all the time. AFAIK insurance companies have to show that the alleged defect contributed to the accident.

If I had to do a u turn in a tight space the passenger would be out there assisting after i had also got out and checked the road edges. In the past it was common for taxi drivers to play "now you see it, now you don't " using their hazard lights.

Yep - it's like a Godwin's law for electrical discussions - sooner or later someone will say your insurance will be invalid regardless of any possible feasibility of what you did contributing to a claim.

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#2864660 10-Feb-2022 12:35

dt:

just hunted out the video I watched a few years back which helped me decide on the GTR Lighting reverse bulbs, I don't think your car will take these though as these have t15 connectors on them but can give you a good idea of the difference

There will be a solution for your bulb type if you decide on going down this route

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWum1FAmsao

its only a minute long but skip to 40 seconds if you want to see the comparison between standard and led

Ok, thanks, will have a look 👍

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#2864666 10-Feb-2022 12:45

shk292:

Bung:

This gets trotted out all the time. AFAIK insurance companies have to show that the alleged defect contributed to the accident.

If I had to do a u turn in a tight space the passenger would be out there assisting after i had also got out and checked the road edges. In the past it was common for taxi drivers to play "now you see it, now you don't " using their hazard lights.

Yep - it's like a Godwin's law for electrical discussions - sooner or later someone will say your insurance will be invalid regardless of any possible feasibility of what you did contributing to a claim.

I do get your point, but I'd rather not take the risk with something as valuable as a vehicle.

I guess you could simply email or call you insurance company:

"If I make a modification to my car which would mean it won't pass a WoF, then have an accident but it's nothing to do with that modification, would I still be covered?"

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#2864739 10-Feb-2022 13:28

I used to run these hypotheticals past a lawyer working in the same office as my wife. He had worked for an insurance co. The answer was almost always "Insurance Law Reform Act (whenever). They can get you for driving under the influence, if they could avoid paying for other law breaches they'd hardly ever have to pay.

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#2867860 13-Feb-2022 21:13

dt:

Ive been using a combination of Philips, gtr lighting and xenon depot led replacement, however all mine have been the t5/t10/t15 variants

There are 100s of 100s of cheap led variants on the market now but I watched a few youtube vids to help decide on higher quality ones that weren't going to be blinding and had good light quality which lead me to those brands

Also put some nineo 9005 LED headlight bulbs into my cousins cruze with amazing results, these were chosen as LED's are correctly aligned as to not blind incoming drivers and still provide incredible illumination

The lamps has little cooling fans on them too which was quite neat

Not sure on that the deal is with p21w lamps but you may need to look at ones that have a resistor in them to your car doesnt show a blown bulb warning[if your car has this feature] as they draw a lot less current than traditional bulbs

Regarding the 9005 LED headlights, in NZ these are not road legal. See 13e, 19 & Note 8 here:

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/lighting/headlamps

Entire fixture would be need to be changed to one designed for an LED source.

But I couldn't see anywhere saying that reverse bulbs couldn't be swapped for LED ones.

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#2867864 13-Feb-2022 21:20

01EG:

Hi guys, I want to install the additional lights for reverse but not to connect to the real ones. I plan to turn on them by remote button when I need them. Will the lights pass WoF?

Thanks

You could consider fitting a work lamp fitted to the rear of your vehicle.

Needs to be switched independently of the other lights in your vehicle, and is not legal to use for on road driving.

But if your requirement for it is off road (i.e. private driveway), the above might not be a barrier.

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/general/lighting/cosmetic-lamps#tab3

https://vehicleinspection.nzta.govt.nz/virms/in-service-wof-and-cof/tb-general/led-lightbars

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#2867918 13-Feb-2022 22:05

Scott3:
But I couldn't see anywhere saying that reverse bulbs couldn't be swapped for LED ones.

The Legislation says the type and performance of light sources must be as specified by the vehicle manufacturer, the maker of a retrofitted light fitting, the Low Volume Vehicle Code or an Organisation approved by the Director. This means don't look too different from standard.

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#2867919 13-Feb-2022 22:05

My work car has one reverse light with a 21watt bulb. It is hopeless.

I have made up a bracket and fitted a LED work light under the tow ball. It is connected to the reverse light terminal in the trailer socket. Only takes a minute to unplug and remove on the very odd time I tow a trailer.

Haven't had any problem getting a wof.

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#2867922 13-Feb-2022 22:26

k1w1k1d:

My work car has one reverse light with a 21watt bulb. It is hopeless.

I have made up a bracket and fitted a LED work light under the tow ball. It is connected to the reverse light terminal in the trailer socket. Only takes a minute to unplug and remove on the very odd time I tow a trailer.

Haven't had any problem getting a wof.

Amazed that the reverse light wire is connected on your trailer plug, on everything I have had, its gone absolutly nowhere. Thats why the wireless backup camera on my trailer is connected to the tail lights.

If you have a hitch rather than just the integrated bar, there are nice looking brackets to take 2 worklights that clamp around it on the usual cheap ecommerce websites

I know someone who has a similar one they got locally for way more and they havent complained about it.

Richard rich.ms

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#2867931 13-Feb-2022 22:39

Bung:
Scott3:

But I couldn't see anywhere saying that reverse bulbs couldn't be swapped for LED ones.

The Legislation says the type and performance of light sources must be as specified by the vehicle manufacturer, the maker of a retrofitted light fitting, the Low Volume Vehicle Code or an Organisation approved by the Director. This means don't look too different from standard.

Just looked it up.

Section 2.1(14) here:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/rules/docs/vehicle-lighting-2004-as-at-1-may-2021.pdf

"Same type" would outlaw swapping incandescent to LED in any mandated light position. Even if the WOF guide only specifies the headlights be checked.

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#2867932 13-Feb-2022 22:41

k1w1k1d:

My work car has one reverse light with a 21watt bulb. It is hopeless.

I have made up a bracket and fitted a LED work light under the tow ball. It is connected to the reverse light terminal in the trailer socket. Only takes a minute to unplug and remove on the very odd time I tow a trailer.

Haven't had any problem getting a wof.

WOF inspectors would likely be deeming it a reverse light, rather than a work light. (latter needs to be on it's own switch, and not switched by other lighting circuits).

No issue in your case as you are allowed two, and your work car only has one factory one.

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#2867937 13-Feb-2022 23:15

Scott3:

Just looked it up.

Section 2.1(14) here:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/resources/rules/docs/vehicle-lighting-2004-as-at-1-may-2021.pdf

"Same type" would outlaw swapping incandescent to LED in any mandated light position. Even if the WOF guide only specifies the headlights be checked.

They seem to be selective about this and only look close enough if its really bright or not the right colour. LED replacements in numberplate lights and reverse lights are all over the place to get rid of the crusty orange that old incandescent car ones have and seem to pass fine. Never understood wanting to make your plate easier to read since that will just increase the number of karens complaining.

Richard rich.ms

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