Cubic to implement national ticketing solution

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#2985906 21-Oct-2022 16:46

sen8or:

There used to be a single method to pay for pretty much anything you wanted, accepted nationwide and was at no extra cost whatsoever, it even came in paper or metal format. Ahhh, the price of progress.

I have about as much faith in any Govt overseeing such a project, to completion, on time and on budget as I do in winning a $50mio powerball jackpot without buying a ticket

You do not want your bus driver to be counting out 10 cent pieces from each boarding passenger, that's victorian thinking.

You want your driver to be driving.

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#2985907 21-Oct-2022 16:46

johno1234:

It is funny when people talk about "free public transport" as if it doesn't actually have to be paid for.

I don't think anyone is under any misguided belief that "free public transport" isn't funded from somewhere, lol

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#2985915 21-Oct-2022 17:07

I'm very pessimistic, the track record on this project (and others) to date does not inspire confidence.

If you want some insight into this project you can read the critical Deloutte report from Oct 2019 here

Its not a one off either, Waka Kotahi track record on ICT ouctomes for transport continue to date, which you can read here

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#2985918 21-Oct-2022 17:23

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With Snapper I just top up with my (Android) phone when required. I also top up my wife's card because she can't from an iPhone.

Does the iPhone app not work?

https://apps.apple.com/nz/app/snapper/id1510497707

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#2985922 21-Oct-2022 17:28

The iOS version should work now.

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#2985930 21-Oct-2022 18:22

Can't remember the last time I used public transport.

No, it most definitely should not be free.

Around here there's so much money wasted on public transport it's not funny. Empty busses and the white elephant that runs between Hamilton and Auckland each day and then we have those idiots in Wellington disrupting the traffic wanting more of it. Making it free will just waste more money.

A universal payment method is a good idea but I have no confidence we will end up with something that works. The last universal payment system that worked isn't accepted by most providers anymore. I'm not sure how they can refuse to accept Legal Tender.

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#2985932 21-Oct-2022 18:49

Technofreak:

I'm not sure how they can refuse to accept Legal Tender.

Easy, a fare is not a debt. “Legal tender is a tender of payment that, by law, cannot effectively be refused in settlement of a debt denominated in the same currency.”

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#2985947 21-Oct-2022 19:39

We are so behind developed countries re public transport...

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#2985956 21-Oct-2022 20:29

panther2: We are so behind developed countries re public transport...

Can you explain further?

One of the problems we have is lack of population density in order for there to be a good public transport system. I'm curious about how we might do it substantially better than we do now.

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#2985958 21-Oct-2022 20:33

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This U.S. report suggests that, while ridership does increase overall, the goal of enticing drivers to take transit instead of driving is not necessarily met: because fare-free systems tend to attract a certain number of "problem riders", zero-fare systems may have the unintended effect of convincing some 'premium' riders to go back to driving their cars. It should be kept in mind that this was a study that only looked at U.S. cities, and the author's conclusions may be less applicable in other countries that have better social safety nets and less crime than the large U.S. cities studied."

I have used the MetroMover system in Miami, Florida which is a free elevated rubber-tyre tram-on-tracks type system that covers a quite wide area of the city and I did not see any evidence of "problem riders", in fact it seemed quite well patronised by people from all walks of society. Kind of amusing that a US report actually ignored Florida of all places.

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#2985959 21-Oct-2022 20:41

johno1234:

I just set an auto top-up $10 if it goes under $5 and live with the fact I am giving AT an interest free loan. It seems to allow going negative balance too.

However, if the auto-topup fails, they just ban the card, resulting in you needing to buy a new one. Not exactly an optimal experience.

johno1234:

You can top up an AT Hop card at a kiosk, with a web browser or mobile app or auto top-up. The problem is the weirdness of Hop card balances only updating overnight. Or when the card is used. Or something. All quite confusing. Someone at GZ once posted a coherent explanation of why it is designed this way, but I can't remember what that was.

It's because not every transit method has realtime connectivity. Buses for example do not have 4G or even GPRS connections, so only receive the list of topups when they encounter a depot with a fixed line connection. This means that if you top up online, your card has not been rewritten with the current stored value, and nor has any mobile reader you encounter. The outcome of this is that when you try to tap on, neither the card reader nor your card know that you topped up, so the reader does whatever it's coded to do in response to your balance.

If you top up at a kiosk, the kiosk can write your new balance onto the card. This is why buses accept those topups - it's kind of like saying "that's not what I heard but fine, I'll trust you for now". Trains use fixed readers with connectivity so they can verify in realtime. Ferries not too sure about.

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#2985961 21-Oct-2022 20:48

roobarb:

Does the iPhone app not work?

https://apps.apple.com/nz/app/snapper/id1510497707

Back in the days of yore, Apple refused to allow access to "active NFC", basically meaning apps were limited to reading from NFC tags and not writing them. That hasn't been the case for a couple of years now (minus the, erm, payment card scenario which they still won't allow 'cos Apple Pay) but app devs haven't been great about explaining this stuff to users. The person in question may genuinely have no idea.

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#2985977 21-Oct-2022 23:22

Technofreak:
panther2: We are so behind developed countries re public transport...

Can you explain further?

One of the problems we have is lack of population density in order for there to be a good public transport system.

Which is why we need to ignore the nimbys and make our cities denser.

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#2986020 22-Oct-2022 10:42

So 1.3 billon (yes you read that right) for the convienence of a) using ones transport card elsewhere b) one can uses ones own physical or virtual card rather a provider one

Of all the comuters in NZ what percentage of use would be outside their own region ?

If a goal is to incentivise public transport use and reduce emissions the Europeans have found subsidising public transports is very effective, when Germany implimented a 9 Euro a month public transport they were so successful and had overcrowding

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#2986029 22-Oct-2022 11:15

The 9 euro deal was amazing. Just hop on no checks if you were checked you had a qr code on the app

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