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#1347675 20-Jul-2015 11:51

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anyone know what sort of margin off RRP could be expected to be negotiated on a Mazda?

I want to buy my mum a CX-3 as a present. List price RRP 31995, what sort of deal could I expect for cash?

30?

I'm in no hurry and happy to wait till someone is desperate to move one. I'm guessing CX-3 will be a popular car though

Another 'discount' that is not too uncommon is to get an ex-demo, and often you can get the next-model-up for the entry level price - e.g. a GSX demonstrator with 2 - 3000km on it for the GLX price if not slightly below. Usually only available when they are about to refresh their demo lineup, which when this is depends on the individual dealer.

The level of discount will depend on the popularity of the particular model you're interested in. Given the CX3 has been well-received and (I understand) been selling well, there'll be far less discount on offer compared to slow-moving models like the 6.

Going by earlier posts on GZ, there's also no assurance that 'cash' is going to get you the best price, given dealerships also have an interest in getting you to buy cars on hock.

It's sometimes quite surprising how little a dealership will discount a demo car by - I was looking at Honda Jazzs with my father the other week and the 'discount' was so little it was not worth the compromises like lack of colour choice. That said, I'd support trying this angle, simply if it gets you the ability to elect the GSX over the GLX - Mazda is typical in having the mid-range model offering the best bang for buck.

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#1347683 20-Jul-2015 11:56

I've seen 1 or 2 of the new Camry's, and have to say, it's not a bad looking car.

For me though, I'm partial to the Accord. Maybe not as good looking as the Camry or Mazda 6, but in NT spec, very well spec'd up.

And being a Honda, when the mood takes you, you can rev it out a bit. It's about on par with the rest of the Petrol cars in class, 129kW \ 225Nm.

And unlike the Accord Euro, the Accord runs on 91, not the 95 of the Euro.
http://www.honda.co.nz/cars/accord/specs/pdf/

Essentially, this Accord is the same body as a US market version.
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/03/2014-honda-accord-v6-touring-review/

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#1347776 20-Jul-2015 14:09

Honda jazz is different. One off the lowest depreciaTing cars. A demo say Hyundai SUV ... Cut 15k easy. I've seen 20k discount plus other freebies.

Again, very model specific, and highly seasonal.

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#1347798 20-Jul-2015 15:24

joker97: Honda jazz is different. One off the lowest depreciaTing cars. A demo say Hyundai SUV ... Cut 15k easy. I've seen 20k discount plus other freebies.

Again, very model specific, and highly seasonal.

Back in the late '90s Honda were targeting a premium market, and not having a hell of a lot of success with fleet sales against Nissan/Toyota/Ford etc, where 20% or so was typical fleet discount - even more on model runouts etc. Given the choice of a base model 4 cylinder Accord or a V6 Maxima/Camry/Commodore/Falcon, most would choose the larger car - especially when filling the tank was on the fleet fuel card. They did (and still do?) have a loyal retail market. They were very open about what they did, dropped fleet discounts and simultaneously reduced retail prices significantly - announcing why and claiming that their first price was the best price, "no haggling needed". They still don't have many fleet sales - so I presume the strategy must have worked out ok for them.

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#1347996 20-Jul-2015 19:56

Ive had a look at Honda's web site and I don't find the Accord particularly price competitive to be honest.

I've done a bit of analysis and it looks to me like the Legacy Premium at $50k is by far the best bang for buck, with the Mondeo Titanium also looking pretty good. It will be interesting to see how the new Optima compares on price and equipment.

Are we likely to see price increases over the next six months as a result of the dollar dropping? I have to admit to being a bit nervous about that.

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#1348055 20-Jul-2015 21:32

nobody knows. it happens suddenly usually. without trumpets blaring. depends on when the old stock runs out and how negotiation with the Japs go.

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#1348304 21-Jul-2015 11:56

If the new price goes up then so should the value of your trade in as the whole market will lift. If the gap gets too large that will spoil sales to all but fleet buyers.

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#1349616 22-Jul-2015 08:03

Dingbatt: If the new price goes up then so should the value of your trade in as the whole market will lift.

A great theory but very rarely will this happen - generally the only situation it would is if there is insufficient supply of the new model to meet demand.

The price ceiling for used cars will increase to accommodate the price increase. This MAY only result in a used value increase if your car is of the previous model, very low km's, within 24 months old and in as new condition. Perhaps privately this may mean an increase in sale price, but highly unlikely in a trade-in situation (unless the dealer has other motivation - which can always be a factor). Which brings in the changeover price thing, and that's a whole other story (which is what buyers should actually focus on, rather than trade-in price).

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#1350184 23-Jul-2015 08:51

Camry Hybrid. Practical considerations:

The boot. Only one rear seat is foldable giving you a very small hole surprisingly less than the size of that rear seat - perhaps designed for the golf clubs or similar. That is a huge minus.
Length of the car - it is 30 cm longer than 4.4m average sedan making huge difference in city parking and also leaving less space to walk around the car in the garage.
Hybrid Battery has 34 modules. When that fails (many years from now) - rebuilding from the donor packs (e.g. Prius pack has 28 modules) will be more expensive.

If those details are of no concern - then why not.

For the topic starter and others driving in mountains and considering hybrid cars - there is a lot of knowledge and practical experience in Colorado, US where they have a lot of hybrids and EVs and facing some challengies because of terrain.

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#1350247 23-Jul-2015 10:29

Hi... my 2cents worth

Having recently gone from a Ford Mondeo 2L turbo diesel to the Toyota Camry 2.5L petrol (not the Hybrid though).

Basically I want the Mondeo back, company cars so that won't happen.

If the Camry I have is anything like it's other stable mates I have really been turned off Toyotas. I've gone from 6.3L/100km to 10L/100km, from 900km between tank fills to 500km (could easily get over 1000km on a long drive), having a easy drive from an engine and auto trans with gobloads of torque to haul up hills to an ECO light that indicates no power and slowly putting foot harder on accelerator to keep speed at 100km/hr then chopps down a couple of gears and your off going too fast, lift off a little back into 6th gear and no power cause that ECO light is on. It's the worlds stupidest auto, even in manual holding gear put your foot down a little too much and it changes gear, DID I ASK YOU TO DO THAT...

Cost wise it's $120 a month more to drive around in the Camry considering higher consumption and more times at fuel station.

For the time being I'd really be looking at Diesels not a Hybrid, give them a bit longer...

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#1350278 23-Jul-2015 11:00

you're comparing ultra torquey turbo diesels and gutless straight 4 petrol .... yes the TD will always win the mountain climb normal person drive

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#1350287 23-Jul-2015 11:10

Even on a mildly inclined plane the Camry is gutless... in summary if you drive on perfectly flat roads get a Camry, if not stare away...

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#1350288 23-Jul-2015 11:13

I've owned a lot of straight 4 cars. All things being equal, They are all gutless. But some manufacturers tune the throttle and transmission to be more responsive, and somehow make the engine feel more responsive, but at the end of the day, they are all the same underneath.

If you want good mountain driving ... don't get a straight 4.

Which is why the OP asks about the electric motor's contribution ... that I'm not sure. I for one won't pay for an extra Honda Jazz for a non permanent heavy battery.

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#1350321 23-Jul-2015 12:04

NZtimbo: ...
If the Camry I have is anything like it's other stable mates I have really been turned off Toyotas. I've gone from 6.3L/100km to 10L/100km, from 900km between tank fills to 500km (could easily get over 1000km on a long drive), having a easy drive from an engine and auto trans with gobloads of torque to haul up hills to an ECO light that indicates no power and slowly putting foot harder on accelerator to keep speed at 100km/hr then chopps down a couple of gears and your off going too fast, lift off a little back into 6th gear and no power cause that ECO light is on. It's the worlds stupidest auto, even in manual holding gear put your foot down a little too much and it changes gear, DID I ASK YOU TO DO THAT...

Cost wise it's $120 a month more to drive around in the Camry considering higher consumption and more times at fuel station.

For the time being I'd really be looking at Diesels not a Hybrid, give them a bit longer...

^^^ This is the thing that most people who haven't driven a recent Turbo Diesel just don't get. For me, the cost saving of driving a Diesel is secondary to the much improved driving experience vs. a comparable Petrol engine.

We have a Hilux Ute with 4L V6 petrol engine. When driving along the flat it's fine, but come to a hill and the accelerator feels like you're stepping on a sponge until all of a sudden it kicks down a gear or two and whoa ... you're off! Plenty of power then but of course fuel consumption rises enormously. Whereas the 2.0L Turbo Diesel in my Golf just flicks down a gear and the revs increase from say 1300rpm to 1800rpm and it has ample torque to get up that same hill without revving its guts out like the petrol V6 does.

It's a more relaxing driving experience as you're not having to deal with a sudden surge in acceleration, just to get up a hill at a reasonable speed. Previously we had another Hilux with 3L Turbo Diesel engine, and it was also very torquey compared to the 4L Petrol V6. Unfortunately it got written off, or we would still be driving it and enjoying the experience more than the petrol, which was our second vehicle at the time. Now that the registration for diesel utes has dropped from $600 down to about $300 per year, we will be looking for a diesel next time. However, given that we only do about 5,000km per year in the Hilux, I expect we'll keep it for a good many years yet.

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