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#1715320 4-Feb-2017 11:06

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And the fact that 91 does make up the vast majority of petrol sales and Gull don't do 95.

You could put 80 octane at gas stations and if it was the cheapest it would probably be the best selling petrol. People do not care, see them all the time at gull putting ethanol blend in cars that are not suited for it - because its cheap.

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#1715327 4-Feb-2017 11:19

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And the fact that 91 does make up the vast majority of petrol sales and Gull don't do 95.

You could put 80 octane at gas stations and if it was the cheapest it would probably be the best selling petrol. People do not care, see them all the time at gull putting ethanol blend in cars that are not suited for it - because its cheap.

But that doesn't make sense? Because if people were buying fuel just because it was cheap, then they wouldn't be buying ethanol fuel from Gull in the first place as its typically 25 c/litre or more than regular 91.

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#1715331 4-Feb-2017 11:31

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But that doesn't make sense? Because if people were buying fuel just because it was cheap, then they wouldn't be buying ethanol fuel from Gull in the first place as its typically 25 c/litre or more than regular 91.

This was a while back when they had ethanol in the 91. Thankfully they stopped that, not sure if it was because of backlash or just because they can make more selling it in the e85 product.

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#1715339 4-Feb-2017 12:07

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So these discounts, up to 40c if you buy a good amount of groceries. Who wears the discount? I assume most by the supermarket?

Yes, split between the two but probably 30c is the supermarket from a 40c voucher.

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#1715346 4-Feb-2017 12:37

Rentals etc will be a factor in regional pricing differences and I can accept that but some price differences in a relatively small area is baffling. I have noted differences between the two Hutts and between Hutt Valley and Masterton that just don't make sense.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#1715673 5-Feb-2017 11:03

I was annoyed by high petrol prices. It was costing $70 / week.

I bought an electric car. Now petrol costs me $0 / week, though my power bill has gone up by about $15 / week.

I don't buy petrol for my car anymore. I don't care what the price is.

My electric car can drive 200km on a charge. From Auckland that gets me to Whangarei or *almost* Te Kuiti or *almost* to Tauranga.

I've driven to Wellington and back. In April and May I'll be driving from Invercargill to Cape Reinga - twice - in my electric car as part of the Leading the Charge EV rally.

Want to save serious money on petrol?

Don't buy any. It just doesn't get cheaper than that.

Absolutely keep the SUV or ute for the 5 trips a year that actually need one. You're still saving money.

Whether you like EVs or not, at least you now - finally - have the option not buying petrol at all.....and the oil companies can't 'tax' you for cash anymore if you decide to stop it happening.

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#1715678 5-Feb-2017 11:09

MikeB4: some price differences in a relatively small area is baffling. I have noted differences between the two Hutts and between Hutt Valley and Masterton that just don't make sense.

I've seen a 4c difference between Caltex and Z in Whakatane, which are less than 1 km apart. Gull is typically 0.2c cheaper than Z, and it's literally just over the road.

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#1715682 5-Feb-2017 11:13

Problem with electric cars is the outlay. I would guess that many people in NZ only ever buy second hand, only a small lucky percentage buy new cars. It will be years before electric cars trickle down on the second hand market, and they may need battery replacements.

So you might save $50 a week on petrol, but how more did that car cost than a petrol one?

Anyway, this isn't an electric car vs petrol car thing, so either split this out as a new thread or let's stay on topic.

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#1715693 5-Feb-2017 11:55

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Problem with electric cars is the outlay. I would guess that many people in NZ only ever buy second hand, only a small lucky percentage buy new cars. It will be years before electric cars trickle down on the second hand market, and they may need battery replacements.

So you might save $50 a week on petrol, but how more did that car cost than a petrol one?

Anyway, this isn't an electric car vs petrol car thing, so either split this out as a new thread or let's stay on topic.

You can get a 2nd hand EV for under $10k...There are three on TradeMe right now. and service costs are close to zero because all the stuff that breaks in a normal car doesn't exist in an EV.

As for relevance, pointing out you don't have to buy petrol at all anymore may well be the most significant and relevant answer of all to high petrol prices.

But if people want to rule out alternatives to paying a lot for petrol...they can certainly do that.

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#1715694 5-Feb-2017 11:59

Behodar:

MikeB4: some price differences in a relatively small area is baffling. I have noted differences between the two Hutts and between Hutt Valley and Masterton that just don't make sense.

I've seen a 4c difference between Caltex and Z in Whakatane, which are less than 1 km apart. Gull is typically 0.2c cheaper than Z, and it's literally just over the road.

Even in the Hutt itself there is significant discounting in Petone. While I haven't driven past for a few days now both Z and Mobil in Petone have been 6-8c cheaper than the national price for the past couple of months. Drive 1km up Hutt Rd to the next Z and they're running at the national price. Before Z sold the Caltex Railway Ave site to BP last month as part of the Caltex takeover they had also been running that site at up to 10c cheaper than the national price over the last few months.

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#1715811 5-Feb-2017 18:53

Linuxluver:

You can get a 2nd hand EV for under $10k...There are three on TradeMe right now. and service costs are close to zero because all the stuff that breaks in a normal car doesn't exist in an EV.

The big problem with EV is range IMO, finding places to charge, and then the time taken to charge them. So that all comes do to convenience. With a petrol car, you can just fill it up, it cold be left at an airport in a parking building for a month while you are away on holiday, and you can then just start it up and drive. As they do become more popular and the batteries improve, I do wonder if we will be able to generate enough power to run a fleet of EV's. Solar panel roofs and bonnets so the battery is always charging during the day is also a must IMO.

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#1715813 5-Feb-2017 19:11

How is it that Teslas can go 500km or further and others not? Clearly the technology exists, even if it is more expensive.

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#1715817 5-Feb-2017 20:03

Rikkitic:

How is it that Teslas can go 500km or further and others not? Clearly the technology exists, even if it is more expensive.

Because more battery costs more money, so people with a tesla sized budget will get the range but those on a small car budget will not.

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#1716484 7-Feb-2017 13:15

Linuxluver:

I was annoyed by high petrol prices. It was costing $70 / week.

I bought an electric car. Now petrol costs me $0 / week, though my power bill has gone up by about $15 / week.

I don't buy petrol for my car anymore. I don't care what the price is.

My electric car can drive 200km on a charge. From Auckland that gets me to Whangarei or *almost* Te Kuiti or *almost* to Tauranga.

I've driven to Wellington and back. In April and May I'll be driving from Invercargill to Cape Reinga - twice - in my electric car as part of the Leading the Charge EV rally.

Want to save serious money on petrol?

Don't buy any. It just doesn't get cheaper than that.

Absolutely keep the SUV or ute for the 5 trips a year that actually need one. You're still saving money.

Whether you like EVs or not, at least you now - finally - have the option not buying petrol at all.....and the oil companies can't 'tax' you for cash any-more if you decide to stop it happening.

The oil companies don't 'tax' motorists anywhere near as much as the govt does

Government currently takes petrol excise tax at $0.67/L + $0.10 GST on the tax - according to the AA. Let's pretend 10L/100km is the petrol fleet's average economy - that's $7.70/100km (excl GST on the actual petrol).

Currently pure EV owners aren't paying this tax via fuel or distance ... the rest of us are in fact subsidising your motoring.

If EVs become ubiquitous two things will happen:-

1) Government will find a way to extract that lost revenue from EV owners.

2) Businesses will charge EV owners for electricity (like they do now for petrol).

I.e. The honeymoon will be over to the tune of about $12/100km for micro-EV owners (based on current excise rates and electricity prices).

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#1716490 7-Feb-2017 13:20

AA Smartfuel has a 10c discount this Wednesday.. For no particular reason other than "because we can".

How much more proof can the Commerce Commission really need that this a scam?

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