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#2215653 12-Apr-2019 11:57

robfish:

LiveM: That's the battery capacity, rather than the output - the controller's current output times the voltage is the power output.

Still not quite correct. Motor current x voltage gives power usage, not output. You still have to take into account the efficiency of the motor.

Also the power output of the motor is not the same as the power output of the scooter (the lawmakers will only consider the motor output power, not the input power)

This is why the regulations are so messed up. It makes little sense and it has obviously been rushed through. I suspect new guidelines will be issued over the next few months as electric scooters get more popular.

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#2215677 12-Apr-2019 12:43

I am not sure that anything has been rushed through. As far as I can tell, the law has not kept pace with the new technology.

I believe that LTSA did not even classify scooters as "vehicles".

Disclaimer: I have been wrong a couple of times in my life.

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#2215812 12-Apr-2019 15:10

Fromt LTSA:

In order to meet the requirements for a low-powered vehicle... the motor must have a maximum power output not exceeding 300W.

Please note: the maximum possible wattage stated of the electric motor is not necessarily the same as the maximum power output of the e-scooter.

Maximum power output is determined by multiplying the battery voltage by the controller’s maximum amperage output. For example, a 600W motor and a 12V battery with a controller that has a maximum output of 21amps creates a maximum power output of 252W – so 252W is the relevant figure, even though the motor has a potential output of 600W.

I think this means that, while the stated wattage (sic) of the motor may be higher than the actual maximum power of the scooter, if the latter is under 300W it still complies? It is not that well stated, in particular because it says "252W is the relevant figure" yet this contradicts the first two lines.

My personal opinion is that the laws make more sense when there is a strong link between the scooter's power and its other parameters. For example, assumptions may have been made that models within the power limits would have a proportionate size, weight, and stability and be more suited to the footpath when looking at all these things together.

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#2215938 12-Apr-2019 18:26

jonathan18:

... I think I've found an ideal solution - they're called Winglights, with three models being sold by the manufacturer (Cycl) on Trade Me: they make plastic ones (Pop), metal ones (Fixed) and removable metal ones (magnetic). (There's also a rechargeable version, but that's 64 pounds from the UK site.)...

My question to any current users of Zero scooters - will the handlebar stem of these scooters (in particular, the 9) fit these lights? (They will apparently work with an inner diameter of 14.7-23mm)

Haven't ordered these yet as still interested to hear from someone with a Zero 10 who can confirm that this model's handlebars would work with the Winglights - @robfish, @Dinga96, what do you think?

Thanks.

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#2217020 14-Apr-2019 17:26

jonathan18:

jonathan18:

... I think I've found an ideal solution - they're called Winglights, with three models being sold by the manufacturer (Cycl) on Trade Me: they make plastic ones (Pop), metal ones (Fixed) and removable metal ones (magnetic). (There's also a rechargeable version, but that's 64 pounds from the UK site.)...

My question to any current users of Zero scooters - will the handlebar stem of these scooters (in particular, the 9) fit these lights? (They will apparently work with an inner diameter of 14.7-23mm)

Haven't ordered these yet as still interested to hear from someone with a Zero 10 who can confirm that this model's handlebars would work with the Winglights - @robfish, @Dinga96, what do you think?

Thanks.

Sorry man I have no clue as to whether the 10 can be made to work with this mod.

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#2218068 16-Apr-2019 12:10

jonathan18:

I've been looking into a solution to the inability to safely indicate when riding a scooter. ... I think I've found an ideal solution - they're called Winglights, with three models being sold by the manufacturer (Cycl) on Trade Me: they make plastic ones (Pop), metal ones (Fixed) and removable metal ones (magnetic). (There's also a rechargeable version, but that's 64 pounds from the UK site.) ...

My question to any current users of Zero scooters - will the handlebar stem of these scooters (in particular, the 9) fit these lights? (They will apparently work with an inner diameter of 14.7-23mm)

So I got a reply back from Freed rep, who has confirmed the Zero 10 handlebars have an internal diameter of 16mm, so these Cycl Winglights will fit; I've ordered the removable magnetic model, and hope they'll arrive around the same time as the scooter - will report back then as to how well they work out. (Edit: I assume they'll also fit the 9, but the 10X already has those things on the ends of the handlebars.)

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#2225631 26-Apr-2019 15:27

Picked up my Zero 10x today and some how made it fit in the back of my 1960s vdub.

I had bought it without a test ride or anything so first time riding it was from shop to car and first impression was just how much smoother it is, bigger wheels and suspension is a huge change for me, only had a quick ride so far getting a feel for it just got it charging now.

Size compared to my m365.

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#2226468 27-Apr-2019 17:59

Gave it a proper run today, i have the 18AH version a 22km trip with quite a few hills and going pretty fast left me with about half battery remaining.

I found the ramp at the back very useful allowed me to use my back foot easily to balance the acceleration. I've got a moped helmet on the way with visor at the top end speed of this thing sunnies and bike-helmet just don't cut it.

From a bit of night riding i don't find the front lights all that useful just too low so i use a light on the bars, and i do feel like i need turning indicators on this.

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#2227071 29-Apr-2019 03:45

Unfortunately i'm going to on sell the zero 10x, no fault of the scooter simply my parents are so worried about me on it. I think i will probably look instead at just being sensible and replace my m365 with a zero 9 but for now just going to look at selling the 10x.

If anyone in aucks interested in taking it off my hands you can pm otherwise it will be on trademe, i've done about 60kms on it in less than a week its heaps of fun it can do 50kmh up hills my m365 can't even climb while crusing at 40kmh feels damn right leisurely on it.

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#2227073 29-Apr-2019 04:27

What a shame. I was playing golf today and just imagining how much better it would be with one of these. Would save so much time and energy and be much better than a cart, too. Good luck,

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#2227074 29-Apr-2019 04:27

What a shame. I was playing golf today and just imagining how much better it would be with one of these. Would save so much time and energy and be much better than a cart, too. Good luck,

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#2231609 6-May-2019 13:43

My Zero 10 was delivered last Thursday, so have had a few days to play with it and get a good idea of its strengths and weaknesses.

Overall, really impressed with its speed, acceleration and stability; on a decently full battery I get to at least 38kmh on the middle setting, and at least 45 on the top - the middle is ideal for city (street) riding I reckon. No problems turning around to look for traffic behind, unlike the Mi.

Build quality isn't as high as I'd have hoped for a scooter close to $2k - from small aesthetic things like deck edging not being alligned, to more significant matters like the handlebars loosening with travel (I plan to use some Loctite on them, as I'd rather have secure handlebars than the ability to fold them down). I also had a decent squeak on one handlebar, but was directed to give a squirt of CRC and that's helped.

My rear brake also came poorly adjusted out of the box, with the disc rubbing quite badly on the callipers. Not being mechanically minded, I've not adjusted it yet as it's not obvious to me which screws loosen the callipers to allow them to be adjusted. This highlights the lack of a decent owner's manual - any product capable of such speeds and causing such a mess if things go wrong should, I reckon, provide a comprehensive list of what needs to be maintained, when and how.

It is also damn heavy (I'd hate to imagine what a 10X is like to manoeuvre!), and I imagine I'll continue to use the lift at work to get it to my office!

Even taking all that into account it was totally worth it as a purchase; compared to the Xiaomi it looks, feels and rides like an 'adult' scooter, and is an amazing amount of fun. It actually doesn't feel all that risky travelling 40kmh on the road - if a Mi was capable of doing that, it would be terrifying. Another great thing compared to the Mi is the accelerator - so much easier to maintain a stable speed, even with cruise control turned off (on is '1' under P17 in the settings)/

I see someone's got a Zero 10 for sale on TM, which could be a good deal for someone keen on saving a few hundred - https://www.trademe.co.nz/toys-models/rideon-toys/scooters/listing-2047364545.htm?rsqid=dd712aff404b47e281063c5d5335ccc0-001

They report they're selling it because it's too powerful, but personally I don't have this issue at all - however, if this was someone's first scooter, then I would recommend sticking to the lowest setting and potentially reducing power output until more confident.

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#2231910 6-May-2019 19:59

For the brakes if its the same as on the zero 10x its the same system sram bike brakes use with spherical washes, what you do is loosen the two bolts holding the disk brake to the mount and then pull on the brake level and while holding it tighten the bolts and it aligns the caliper. To adjust braking point use the barrel adjusters on at each end of the brake hose wind it out to shorten the lever travel before the brake bites.

Handling on the 10x you had big wide handlebars so it wasn't nimble but was very stable at speed, mostly used it on the road since it could keep up with traffic.

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#2231918 6-May-2019 20:13

HellToupee:

For the brakes if its the same as on the zero 10x its the same system sram bike brakes use with spherical washes, what you do is loosen the two bolts holding the disk brake to the mount and then pull on the brake level and while holding it tighten the bolts and it aligns the caliper. To adjust braking point use the barrel adjusters on at each end of the brake hose wind it out to shorten the lever travel before the brake bites.

Handling on the 10x you had big wide handlebars so it wasn't nimble but was very stable at speed, mostly used it on the road since it could keep up with traffic.

Sweet - thanks for that explanation; will try to get it sorted this weekend.

Oops - I didn't write that bit accurately regarding manoeuvrability - I had meant simply the bulk of the 10 makes it harder than the Mi to say push through my work, and the weight is so much it's not a sensible option to carry it up the stairs, which I did with the Mi - and at 50% heavier, the 10X must be even more of a dog in such situations.

I'm actually really happy with the 10's stability - as mentioned earlier, it's in a different league to the Mi in regards to this - I wonder if it's just the wheel size or also due to other factors?

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#2234177 10-May-2019 02:11

Now this is going to be interesting:

Questions and answers about fat tyre electric scooters:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/low-powered-vehicles/mobility-scooters/fat-tyre-electric-scooters-faq/

These vehicles, as LA-Class vehicles, are subject to the same vehicle registration, driver licence, vehicle standards and helmet requirements as mopeds are.

We have informed NZ Police of our view, and enforcement is their responsibility. Ultimately it will be up to the Courts to determine the final status of the fat tyre e-scooters in New Zealand.

I want to keep using my fat tyre e-scooter on New Zealand roads – how do I go about registering it?

Seek advice regarding modifications required to comply with vehicle standards for an LA-Class moped. This will lead to getting your fat tyre e-scooter certified for entry into the New Zealand fleet (often referred to as entry certification), registration of the vehicle and a warrant of fitness (WoF) inspection.

Can I still use my fat tyre e-scooter on the footpath?

No.

Can I still use my fat tyre e-scooter on a shared path that is currently used by bikes and scooters as well as pedestrians?

No.

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/vehicle-types/low-powered-vehicles/

Except for those listed, all other powered vehicles require registration, an appropriate driver licence and must meet appropriate equipment and safety standards for the appropriate class of vehicle.

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