EU Bans ICE cars from 2035. June 29 2022

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#2937419 2-Jul-2022 10:47

when i realised EU were (?are) paying Russia one BILLION euros a day for gas while imposing relatively puny sanctions i thought that was pretty hypocritical of their vocal support of Ukraine

they should just fire up their nuclear plants but i'm no engineer or politician

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#2937523 2-Jul-2022 15:14

Dingbatt:

And my point (to pull it back to the thread topic) is that well meaning ideology-driven proclamations can have unintended consequences. Hence Germany’s decision to forego nuclear power and rely on Russian gas has left it vulnerable.

By the same token the EU proclaiming that vehicles must be electrified by 2035 at best means they require their member nations to forego any sales to nations that don’t have the infrastructure to support EVs. Or at worst, smacks of colonial imperialism where they (the European powers) believe they have the right to dictate to the rest of the world what they must do. A world where 30% of people rely on animal dung or charcoal for their heating and cooking and get by on less electricity than a fridge uses each day.

They are surrendering their auto industries to other nations that will continue to build EVs AND ICE vehicles.

I don't know where you got these things. Here the EU, Germany, other EU countries, etc. are wildly thrown together. EU decisions are made democratically with representatives of those countries, not dictated. Moreover, these poorer countries are financed to a not inconsiderable extent by the richer countries. But ok, one can continue to hang on to our market power with newspaper knowledge and hoping for standards that we have worked out and paid for, and profit from this by criticising the EU and giving it political advice. :-)

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#2937532 2-Jul-2022 15:50

Batman:

when i realised EU were (?are) paying Russia one BILLION euros a day for gas while imposing relatively puny sanctions i thought that was pretty hypocritical of their vocal support of Ukraine

they should just fire up their nuclear plants but i'm no engineer or politician

You are always smarter afterwards and what turned out to be a mistake is now being corrected at great expense.

Why are you so attached to what the EU is doing? You are completely free to develop and build your own lovely cars (and all the other products and medicines) that are not dependent on the exact technical EU standards that my taxpayers' money also paid for their development and for their carbon footprint at the production I also have to pay?

„After this discussion, we recalculated again and now unfortunately have to increase the sales prices so that we can become as good as you in terms of the CO2 balance and produce everything cheaply with child labor in an undiscovered area of the earth for a miserable wage for your requirements and there spoil the environment. And don't tell us we were angry because you couldn't foresee it - we don't need another war started by one NON-EU country with another NON-EU country.“ Is the penny slowly dropping now? [/sarcasm off]

That should have been it - back to our cars and forget your strange newspaper knowledge, there are some European countries that do not belong politically and economically to the EU or NATO, but that is going much too far now. ;-)

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#2937703 3-Jul-2022 07:27

Mattnzl:

I think what @Tinkerisk is getting at is that NZ has exported/outsourced almost all manufacturing to other countries eg: China (almost everything), Thailand (Utes), Japan (new/used cars), Taiwan (electronics) etc.

And so while we feel a bit smug at our 80-90% renewable electricity usage, this is only possible due to other countries producing goods (using energy & creating pollution) for us.

And yet even with that massive outsourcing, we are still confronting environmental degradation and high CO2 output per-capita in NZ.

Agree. The Russian issue in the EU is unfortunate, that reliance worked well, until a dictator changed it up. NZ is massively dependent on everywhere else, and while we wont every be sanctioning China and cutting off all imports, the price we will pay and are paying is high war induced supply inflation, chiefly from oil prices, yet we bash everyone else for their dependence on Russian oil. We are just as dependent as evidenced by the fuel prices in NZ. The Govt has subsidised fuel prices and when that ends all hell will break loose, but at the end off the day we are just as dependent, just not directly. But like the EU we are directly paying due to Russia, at BP and Mobil etc and also on every product that has a fuel input, which is all products.

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#2937939 3-Jul-2022 18:12

Dingbatt:

Meanwhile we'll carry on struggling through with our 85% renewable electricity and if necessary dip into our 1000 year supply of coal to make up the other 15%. All paid for by our CO2 consuming primary industries. All from a population 2.5 times the size of your city (which I assume is responsible for all the cars, aircraft, appliances,etc).

Surely you mean, "All paid for by our CO2 producing primary industries." ?????

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