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  #3478724 7-Apr-2026 12:27
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If capacity to store is a real issue - rather than supply - then maybe the government should encourage us to fill up our tanks and 20L cans.

 

 

They cant be seen to encourage people to violate hazmat laws tho. There is very little that you can legally store in a house, and leaving them in the car is probably not something that most people want to do.





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  #3478772 7-Apr-2026 13:04
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Lightbulb:

 

If capacity to store is a real issue - rather than supply - then maybe the government should encourage us to fill up our tanks and 20L cans.

 

 

That would only be true if inbound tanker flow less outbound consumption was more than available storage capacity. The buyers plan their purchases ahead based on forecast consumption, order time and delivery lead time to ensure the storage is utilised efficiently. 

 

This is how lean-manufacturing or just-in-time systems work. They rely on accurate forecasting and lead times. A dip in supply or spike in demand can throw out predictions and lead to an over or under supply. For this reason it is important that people do not panic buy fuel (or toilet paper).

 

These supply chain systems seek to minimise cost for a given outcome and that's why we have the storage we currently have - it is "enough" for the planned scenarios and more storage would be a lot of cost in idle stock, maintenance and construction. It is however not enough if there are supply problems. 


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  #3478773 7-Apr-2026 13:05
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richms:

 

Lightbulb:

 

If capacity to store is a real issue - rather than supply - then maybe the government should encourage us to fill up our tanks and 20L cans.

 

 

They cant be seen to encourage people to violate hazmat laws tho. There is very little that you can legally store in a house, and leaving them in the car is probably not something that most people want to do.

 

 

An acquaintance of mine fits 3000L of diesel into his boat. 




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  #3478831 7-Apr-2026 14:10
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richms:

 

Lightbulb:

 

If capacity to store is a real issue - rather than supply - then maybe the government should encourage us to fill up our tanks and 20L cans.

 

 

They cant be seen to encourage people to violate hazmat laws tho. There is very little that you can legally store in a house, and leaving them in the car is probably not something that most people want to do.

 

 

 

 

Is it 50L at home max? I'm trying to recall an issue at my previous job. The owner of a quad bike shop had something like 100 used quads, and they were in theory supposed to drain the tanks of them all. But they didn't and one caught fire, and well, the rest went too. 


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  #3478846 7-Apr-2026 14:57
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All I know is that if you have an approved fuel can in your car and its for your car, it doesn't count against the 50l that you can have stored on the property for use in generators and mowers and other things that are not vehicles.

 

Now obviously I would not be allowed to buy a van and put it on the lawn and fill it with 20l containers, but where is the limit on that? How many vehicles? How much extra stored in each one? 





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  #3478847 7-Apr-2026 15:01
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richms:

 

All I know is that if you have an approved fuel can in your car and its for your car, it doesn't count against the 50l that you can have stored on the property for use in generators and mowers and other things that are not vehicles.

 

Now obviously I would not be allowed to buy a van and put it on the lawn and fill it with 20l containers, but where is the limit on that? How many vehicles? How much extra stored in each one? 

 

 

I think it's 250 litres before you need a Dangerous Goods license to transport large quantities of fuel.  Just having it sitting around in a vehicle I don't know, but I suspect if something went flame shaped, you'd be having an interestingly pointed discussion with the insurance company afterwards.





 
 
 
 

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  #3478850 7-Apr-2026 15:20
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mudguard:

 

Is it 50L at home max? I'm trying to recall an issue at my previous job. The owner of a quad bike shop had something like 100 used quads, and they were in theory supposed to drain the tanks of them all. But they didn't and one caught fire, and well, the rest went too. 

 

 

HSNO approval required for >50L.  That said, most trailer boats hold more.  Maybe fuel in vehicle fuel tanks is exempt?  





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  #3478853 7-Apr-2026 15:43
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mudguard:

 

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so about the fuel price and supply? how is it?

 

 

 

 

I filled up with 91 this weekend. About 45L at $3.49

 

 

 

 

 when they bring in road user charges for all vehicles I can see us normally paying the equivalent of this in the future if not more. Although they will likely remove some of the tax off fuel I can see them adding levies such as extra levies to fuel for various things. 


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  #3478856 7-Apr-2026 15:50
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mattwnz:

 

when they bring in road user charges for all vehicles I can see us normally paying the equivalent of this in the future if not more. Although they will likely remove some of the tax off fuel I bad see them adding levies to fuel for various things. 

 

 

Ah I couldn't say. Doesn't look like the price has come down since completely since Ukraine. But that wasn't so much a supply issue for us anyway.

 

 

 


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  #3478863 7-Apr-2026 16:29
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mudguard:

 

Ah I couldn't say. Doesn't look like the price has come down since completely since Ukraine. But that wasn't so much a supply issue for us anyway.

 

 

 

 

Yeah I get the feeling that Russia's biggest customers welcomed it - when the sanctions went on, they were guaranteed to get a cheaper price from Russia as an incentive to buy it anyway. So the higher prices for oil & gas for the rest of us were probably more of a 'because we can' price increase than any real scarcity.





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  #3478864 7-Apr-2026 16:39
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MikeAqua:

 

mudguard:

 

Is it 50L at home max? I'm trying to recall an issue at my previous job. The owner of a quad bike shop had something like 100 used quads, and they were in theory supposed to drain the tanks of them all. But they didn't and one caught fire, and well, the rest went too. 

 

 

HSNO approval required for >50L.  That said, most trailer boats hold more.  Maybe fuel in vehicle fuel tanks is exempt?  

 

 

I believe that fuel contained in a vehicle tank (OEM standard fuel tank) is exempt from both storage and transport limits.





 
 
 
 

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  #3478866 7-Apr-2026 17:02
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Just got home from a trip up to the Waikato, I’m not sure if this was just me but the pumps at Waitomo Matamata and Gull Taihape felt like they were set to “dribble mode”. Could pour a glass of water faster than it put fuel in the tank.

 

Other thing I’m starting to see posts on, apparently the port pricing for Diesel is now around $4.15/L


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  #3478875 7-Apr-2026 17:20
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Just released by BBC around 5pm NZ time

Oil prices rise as Trump's Iran deal deadline looms: BBC

Global oil prices rose on Tuesday afternoon in Asia ahead of a deadline set by US President Donald Trump for Iran to open the crucial Strait of Hormuz shipping route.

The price of global benchmark Brent crude was up by about 1.4% to NZD $195.25 a barrel, while US-traded oil gained 2.8% to NZD 202.76.

On Monday, Trump threatened to take out Iran "in one night" if it failed to agree a deal with the US by [ 4 am NZ time ] 20:00 Washington DC time.
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  #3478877 7-Apr-2026 17:27
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johno1234:

 

richms:

 

Lightbulb:

 

If capacity to store is a real issue - rather than supply - then maybe the government should encourage us to fill up our tanks and 20L cans.

 

 

They cant be seen to encourage people to violate hazmat laws tho. There is very little that you can legally store in a house, and leaving them in the car is probably not something that most people want to do.

 

 

An acquaintance of mine fits 3000L of diesel into his boat. 

 

 

And yet.... 

 

https://nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/transporting-dangerous-or-hazardous-goods/schedule-1-of-the-land-transport-rule-dangerous-goods-2005

 

"Quantity limits for dangerous goods transported for domestic or recreational purposes, for use as tools-of-trade, for agricultural use or for a commercial purpose, but not transported for hire or direct reward."

 

Class 3 Hazardous Goods, "Diesel with a flash point of 60°C or less is classified as UN 1202, GAS OIL or DIESEL FUEL or HEATING OIL, LIGHT, class 3, packing group III." - Max Qty 250L

 

Class 9 Diesel with a flash point over 60°C, classified as UN 3082, ENVIRONMENTALLY HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE, LIQUID, N.O.S. (diesel)" Packing group III, Max Qty 2000L

 

See also https://nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/transporting-dangerous-or-hazardous-goods/transporting-dangerous-goods-for-domestic-or-recreational-use

 

It's been >20 years since I last completed a D (Dangerous Goods) endorsement for my drivers license, but it's still revealing how silly people will be transporting bulk fuel.





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  #3478903 7-Apr-2026 20:16
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They’re burning through so much diesel in a nearby Halswell ChCh subdivision Earthworks, excavation, site preparation that I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if the project gets put on hold thanks to the price of fuel. Excavation costs jumped 7.8% in March 2026 alone. 


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