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#3098563 2-Jul-2023 11:00

I didn't know where to post this since there is no Model S or Model Y thread that I could find.

Anyway when I first saw this I checked my calendar to see if it was April 1 :-)

https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-gave-uk-owners-this-clawed-backscratcher-instead-of-right-hand-drive

Of course it's UK only since you are allowed to drive LHD cars there with no issue. But for other RHD drive markets like Australia or Japan (don't include NZ since you could never buy a Model S or Z here from a local showroom) they are going to be out of luck.

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#3098589 2-Jul-2023 12:15

you mean this one for the model y?

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=262025

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#3098640 2-Jul-2023 12:31

Jase2985:

you mean this one for the model y?

No, I think he meant the Model X, but picked the wrong letter (twice).

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#3098694 2-Jul-2023 15:41

Dingbatt:

Jase2985:

you mean this one for the model y?

No, I think he meant the Model X, but picked the wrong letter (twice).

:-(

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#3098713 2-Jul-2023 16:38

lchiu7:

Of course it's UK only since you are allowed to drive LHD cars there with no issue. But for other RHD drive markets like Australia or Japan (don't include NZ since you could never buy a Model S or Z here from a local showroom) they are going to be out of luck.

You could buy a Model S & X here from Tesla like you can currently buy a 3 & Y right up until late 2020. The day I picked up my Model 3, someone was picking up a brand new Model S in the bay next to me at the K Rd show room.

Since they did the refresh in 2021 you haven't been able to buy them new here and they've since decided the refresh models won't be made in RHD. So NZ and Australia won't need "The Reacher" since we don't allow LHD vehicles (except for very specific circumstances) but Japan and the UK allow either RHD or LHD.

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#3098816 3-Jul-2023 08:44

Obraik:

lchiu7:

Of course it's UK only since you are allowed to drive LHD cars there with no issue. But for other RHD drive markets like Australia or Japan (don't include NZ since you could never buy a Model S or Z here from a local showroom) they are going to be out of luck.

You could buy a Model S & X here from Tesla like you can currently buy a 3 & Y right up until late 2020. The day I picked up my Model 3, someone was picking up a brand new Model S in the bay next to me at the K Rd show room.

Since they did the refresh in 2021 you haven't been able to buy them new here and they've since decided the refresh models won't be made in RHD. So NZ and Australia won't need "The Reacher" since we don't allow LHD vehicles (except for very specific circumstances) but Japan and the UK allow either RHD or LHD.

I saw a 2022 Corvette on the street recently so you can import LHD cars. I think they have to be considered a sport car. One could say the Model S Plaid is a sport car but possibly not the X

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#3098854 3-Jul-2023 09:39

lchiu7:

I saw a 2022 Corvette on the street recently so you can import LHD cars. I think they have to be considered a sport car. One could say the Model S Plaid is a sport car but possibly not the X

If it's less than 20 years old, it has to meet the following:

It’s identified as a collector’s item in a respected commercially produced motoring puplication
It was produced in numbers fewer than 20,000 units annually
It’s a two-door coupe or convertible
It was manufactured as a high-performance vehicle.

The Model S & X fail on 3/4 of that criteria.

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#3098922 3-Jul-2023 11:45

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#3099076 3-Jul-2023 14:45

Obraik:

lchiu7:

I saw a 2022 Corvette on the street recently so you can import LHD cars. I think they have to be considered a sport car. One could say the Model S Plaid is a sport car but possibly not the X

If it's less than 20 years old, it has to meet the following:

It’s identified as a collector’s item in a respected commercially produced motoring puplication
It was produced in numbers fewer than 20,000 units annually
It’s a two-door coupe or convertible
It was manufactured as a high-performance vehicle.

The Model S & X fail on 3/4 of that criteria.

I see quite a few newish looking Dodge RAM the size of a small apartment in LHD around the place ... that one fails at least 3/4 of those too ...

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#3100158 5-Jul-2023 12:11

Looks like the RUC free ride could be ending next year....National have pledged to kill it, and Labour seem unwilling to keep forgoing the revenue

its behind the Herald Paywall,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/road-user-charges-shock-on-the-way-for-ev-owners-and-aa-sees-double-charging-danger/KKO77UDN4NC67NXWOLHH57BDP4/

There is a bit on that it might need a short extension to sort out the logistics of adding 80K vehicles into the RUC system, but no one other than the Greens seem to want it to go on much longer.

"EVs are scheduled to lose their exemption from road user charges on March 31 next year.

From that date, electric car owners will be charged $76 per 1000km (the same rate applied to other non-petrol light vehicles; essentially diesel-powered cars)."

"Now it seems there won’t be another stay of execution. “Changes to the current rules around RUCs are not being considered at present,” a spokesman for current Transport Minister David Parker told the Herald earlier this week.

Nor will there be a reprieve from National, should there be a change of Government in October. Last week, leader Christopher Luxon said EV owners should pay road user charges.

The party’s transport spokesman Simeon Brown confirmed that policy this week. Brown said there was no inconsistency with Bridges’ policy, which was always meant to apply only until EVs hit 2 per cent of NZ’s fleet.

Brown said EVs were now at 1.8 per cent - and that was before new vehicle sales figures for a record June were revealed"

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#3100163 5-Jul-2023 12:16

wellygary:

Looks like the RUC free ride could be ending next year....National have pledged to kill it, and Labour seem unwilling to keep forgoing the revenue

its behind the Herald Paywall,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/road-user-charges-shock-on-the-way-for-ev-owners-and-aa-sees-double-charging-danger/KKO77UDN4NC67NXWOLHH57BDP4/

The premise of that article was already discussed a page or two back but I think the Herald is click baiting on the headline - it's not really a shock to EV owners that RUC is coming. The current government has been saying that's coming in March 2024 for a while now.

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#3100167 5-Jul-2023 12:40

The RUC refresh for 2024 - including that EVs would be coming under it - was up for public comments more than a year ago. This is nothing but a beat-up.

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#3100174 5-Jul-2023 13:07

That's just under 10c per km, how does that affect the running cost of EVs?

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#3100175 5-Jul-2023 13:10

And I wonder how they tax PHEVs... Maybe that's the golden goose for consumers

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#3100179 5-Jul-2023 13:22

Batman: That's just under 10c per km, how does that affect the running cost of EVs?

At the current DC fast charging rates, about the same cost as running a petrol car*, using $12/100km (15.0kWh/100km @ 80c/kWh) + $7.60 RUC /100km for the EV.

* I used 7l/100km and petrol @ $2.60/l. With approx 80c/l of the cost of petrol being tax that equates to $56/1000km, so bit lower than the suggested RUC.

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