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  #3480099 11-Apr-2026 20:48
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johno1234:

gzt: It's essentially stored energy. Maybe the same can be done with generation assets but I'm guessing there are several aspects that would not be efficient that way.

In a lossless scenario the energy required to pump it up hill is the same as the energy captured letting it flow down again. Then take away the losses in both directions and you have a significant negative energy loss?

The one benefit is the ability to store and generate to a planned schedule. 


It all sounds like a very expensive way to waste energy?


The major benefit is storing off-peak and releasing on-peak.



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  #3480100 11-Apr-2026 20:53
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gzt: 

 

The major benefit is storing off-peak and releasing on-peak.

 

With the major benefit that this can be done seasonally with pumped hydro as opposed to over a few days as is the case with most other systems.

 

 





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  #3480101 11-Apr-2026 21:01
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> heat energy storage by diverting to HWCs or spa pools

 

You need to be a bit cautious - lumping heat storage in with other types of energy storage.

 

Spending energy to store heat is nice only if you know you're going to want heat (at some later time) - and can afford the inevitable heat loss in the mean time. But it's hugely inefficient if you try to get that energy back - to fly planes or turn on lights...

 

Getting heat back into usable energy form is non-trivial.
Like putting Humpty back together.

 

 




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  #3480103 11-Apr-2026 21:25
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pdh:

 

> heat energy storage by diverting to HWCs or spa pools

 

You need to be a bit cautious - lumping heat storage in with other types of energy storage.

 

Spending energy to store heat is nice only if you know you're going to want heat (at some later time) - and can afford the inevitable heat loss in the mean time. But it's hugely inefficient if you try to get that energy back - to fly planes or turn on lights...

 

Getting heat back into usable energy form is non-trivial.
Like putting Humpty back together.

 

 

 

Storage by definition is keeping something for later use. If you're planning on using electrical energy to heat something water is a good medium to effect a useful vector to do this this with. Not planning on running my lights using hot water so that is a pretty irrelevant concept to envisage.





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  #3480104 11-Apr-2026 21:33
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I've just realised we're having this discussion in the Fuel Prices and Security thread. Too much coffee today. Pumped hydro has been a worthwhile discussion and it's not complete but unfortunately in the wrong topic imo.

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  #3480122 12-Apr-2026 08:45
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Bernard Hickey on RNZ now explaining how this likely pans out.

 

His take, a multi year hit to economic prospects 





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