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#3170517 11-Dec-2023 09:10

johno1234:

EV routine maintenance is cheap. Battery replacement is not what was feared (plenty of old Tesla taxis with half a million miles and 10 years old are still going just fine) but crash reparability is a problem. Surely that could be improved if the manufacturers can get together and come up with a modular battery standard.

In the US at least, there are now many organisations who can replace defective cells in a Tesla battery pack - well at least the Model 3 and Y's, rather than replace the entire pack. These costs are way lower than a new pack. Maybe we will start to see more of these options when right to repair becomes law.

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#3171036 12-Dec-2023 12:14

The government's promise to repeal the "Ute tax" is having an impact on EVs this month.

Stuff: Ford discounts fully electric Mustang ahead for 2024

Dropping the price by $5000 to $8000, with the expectation that the Government will pass the legislation before 1 Jan. Not many parliament days left to do so.

RNZ has an interesting comment regarding applications:: Would-be EV owners rush to buy as the clean car rebate ends

Anyone applying for the rebate on the Waka Kotahi website is met with a message that it could take up to 20 working days to process, but the agency says applications file before the 31st will be processed.

The intent to repeal the Clean Car Discount has already had an impact on Renault's intent to launch the Megane E-Tech in NZ in February according to Stuff: Carmaker calls off electric vehicle launch in NZ (for now). I'm not sure if this was going to be just below the threshold for the rebate, or if the absence it the threshold they can price it higher.

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#3171045 12-Dec-2023 12:41

Opel have some truly spectacular discounts.

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#3171095 12-Dec-2023 12:55

Makes sense. The opposite was also true in the lead-up to the introduction of the full scheme (i.e. with polluter fees) - there was a big rush to buy utes.

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#3171126 12-Dec-2023 15:51

So those bleeting about the "Ute Tax" conveniently forgot to mention that Utes are the benefactors of other tax benefits - i.e. Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions. (This is why you see accountants and IT professionals cruising around in Ford Rangers). Given corporation's buying new vehicles and on-selling them later help to shape the used vehicle market, wouldn't it be nice if the Govt allowed Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions on E.V.'s as well.

Upside is there would be more affordable clean cars for poor people to buy, and it wouldn't cost the Govt 1 cent because they're already giving the exemptions anyway.

Suggest this to your local political leaders if you happen to run into them.

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#3171134 12-Dec-2023 16:16

tripper1000:

So those bleeting about the "Ute Tax" conveniently forgot to mention that Utes are the benefactors of other tax benefits - i.e. Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions. (This is why you see accountants and IT professionals cruising around in Ford Rangers). Given corporation's buying new vehicles and on-selling them later help to shape the used vehicle market, wouldn't it be nice if the Govt allowed Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions on E.V.'s as well.

Upside is there would be more affordable clean cars for poor people to buy, and it wouldn't cost the Govt 1 cent because they're already giving the exemptions anyway.

Suggest this to your local political leaders if you happen to run into them.

Maybe in your universe but not in mine where a UTE is the most practical vehicle I can utilise and without any tax benefit whatsoever, it is a private vehicle registered to me as an individual. Any car for business provides tax benefits. There is no one size fits all.

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#3171136 12-Dec-2023 16:41

Shadowfoot:

The government's promise to repeal the "Ute tax" is having an impact on EVs this month.

Stuff: Ford discounts fully electric Mustang ahead for 2024

Dropping the price by $5000 to $8000, with the expectation that the Government will pass the legislation before 1 Jan. Not many parliament days left to do so.

Ha! I predicted this here months ago.

Ooh, basking in righteous vindication, I am. Until the rest don't do it, anyway.

RNZ has an interesting comment regarding applications:: Would-be EV owners rush to buy as the clean car rebate ends

Anyone applying for the rebate on the Waka Kotahi website is met with a message that it could take up to 20 working days to process, but the agency says applications file before the 31st will be processed.

The intent to repeal the Clean Car Discount has already had an impact on Renault's intent to launch the Megane E-Tech in NZ in February according to Stuff: Carmaker calls off electric vehicle launch in NZ (for now). I'm not sure if this was going to be just below the threshold for the rebate, or if the absence it the threshold they can price it higher.

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#3171158 12-Dec-2023 19:29

I didn't really have a problem with the tax when it only affected utes and large SUVs, but I don't think it's fair that I had to pay a $2k tax on a small car that I don't even use that often. I could live with it if that revenue were being used for walking and public transport infrastructure as that's my main way of minimising my climate impact, but it shouldn't have been given away to smug computer nerds with Teslas.

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#3171159 12-Dec-2023 19:33

alasta:

I didn't really have a problem with the tax when it only affected utes and large SUVs, but I don't think it's fair that I had to pay a $2k tax on a small car that I don't even use that often. I could live with it if that revenue were being used for walking and public transport infrastructure as that's my main way of minimising my climate impact, but it shouldn't have been given away to smug computer nerds with Teslas.

The last Leaf we purchased and got $3,500 CCD on had a price of $16,500 so I guess you'll feel better that you contributed to something a bit more affordable in our case.

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#3171297 13-Dec-2023 08:14

alasta: … but it shouldn't have been given away to smug computer nerds with Teslas.

Wow, that’s a bit of a generalisation there, old boy!

First off, yep, there are the cliched demographic you refer to (which are probably more likely to be Tesla fanbois, so also make the most noise), but I’ve found Tesla owners come from a really wide range of backgrounds.

But, more importantly, in late 2023 Tesla is but just one (even if the most well-known) brand of EV available, and there are way more non-Tesla EVs sold than Teslas! (Of EV sales so far this year, less than one in three cars sold was a Tesla.) And it’s the availability of a wider range of EVs, and especially relatively affordable models such as the MG4, Ora, and BYD Dolphin, plus the availability of the CCD, that have really expanded EV ownership across demographics.

I really can’t see your ‘smug computer nerd’ driving this car!

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#3171314 13-Dec-2023 08:38

alasta:

I didn't really have a problem with the tax when it only affected utes and large SUVs, but I don't think it's fair that I had to pay a $2k tax on a small car that I don't even use that often. I could live with it if that revenue were being used for walking and public transport infrastructure as that's my main way of minimising my climate impact, but it shouldn't have been given away to smug computer nerds with Teslas.

The tax isn't about the size of the car, it's about how polluting it is. It is intended to make you at least think twice about buying something that pollutes. But I agree with your overall point that it should have remained heavily weighted towards the worst. Unfortunately although there were plenty of vehicles on the list that weren't utes, fashions have changed, and there are relatively few boy racers buying Godzillas compared to how many people buy compensatorily large utes.

And even that is a victim of fashion. Yesterday on the way to work two older Ford Rangers passed us - C-series plates. They can seat 4 and carry the same amount of stuff as a 2023 model in the back, but a grown adult can see over the bonnet and they don't need a bus engine to accelerate to road speed. Why aren't they still selling those?

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#3171322 13-Dec-2023 09:28

johno1234:

Shadowfoot:

The government's promise to repeal the "Ute tax" is having an impact on EVs this month.

Stuff: Ford discounts fully electric Mustang ahead for 2024

Dropping the price by $5000 to $8000, with the expectation that the Government will pass the legislation before 1 Jan. Not many parliament days left to do so.

Ha! I predicted this here months ago.

Ooh, basking in righteous vindication, I am. Until the rest don't do it, anyway.

Ten seconds of 'research' later...

Ford has been discounting the cost of the Mustang Mach-E all over the world in the last month or so - it has finally flowed through to here.

Other distributors here are trying to clear some stock ahead of the subsidy ending.

We will have to see if they can also trim their prices back a little after that.

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#3171330 13-Dec-2023 09:51

Part 4 15(a) https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2023/0006/latest/whole.html#LMS927066

Rebates need to be applied for by Sunday 31 December.

15 Transitional provision for obligations concerning winding up of clean vehicle discount scheme

This Act continues to have effect, as if it had not been amended by sections 11 to 14 and 16 of the amendment Act, until the close of the financial year ending on 30 June 2024 for the following purposes:

(a) enabling any application for a rebate received before the close of 31 December 2023 to be processed:

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#3171376 13-Dec-2023 12:18

tripper1000:

So those bleeting about the "Ute Tax" conveniently forgot to mention that Utes are the benefactors of other tax benefits - i.e. Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions. (This is why you see accountants and IT professionals cruising around in Ford Rangers). Given corporation's buying new vehicles and on-selling them later help to shape the used vehicle market, wouldn't it be nice if the Govt allowed Fringe Benefit Tax exemptions on E.V.'s as well.

Upside is there would be more affordable clean cars for poor people to buy, and it wouldn't cost the Govt 1 cent because they're already giving the exemptions anyway.

Suggest this to your local political leaders if you happen to run into them.

That is factually wrong.

Utes are not exempt from FBT. They can be classified as a work vehicle (as they are designed equally to carry load / passengers) and therefore not subject to FBT, but the following restrictions apply -

- The vehicle must have sign writing (permanent adhesive / paint) with the company's livery / logos / contacts etc. There is no "minimum size" requirement I am aware of, but magnetic signage for example is not acceptable.

- There must be confirmation on file that the vehicle is not available for personal use. Travel to / from a business site to residence is okay (and stops incidental to that travel like a supermarket for example).

- There must be periodic checks on the vehicle to ensure that the no personal use is being complied with (e.g. KMs recorded either side of a weekend) with records kept.

If all three conditions are not met, FBT remains due, the same as any other type of vehicle.

Ofcourse, I am not naive / gullible enough to think that all the utes out there are complying with the rules, but, the penalty for non compliance (like any other taxes that you ought to pay but try to avoid) is quite hefty, you roll the dice, you take your chances.

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#3171387 13-Dec-2023 12:46

sen8or: That is factually wrong. Utes are not exempt from FBT. They can be classified as a work vehicle (as they are designed equally to carry load / passengers) and therefore not subject to FBT, but the following restrictions apply ....

Right so "factually" wrong if you semantically read between my lines, but factually correct once you get into the details. A "car" is not defined as a "work vehicle", and is therefore presently unable to quality for FBT exemptions. My point still stands, if EV's were allowed to qualify as "work vehicles"/wouldn't cost the govt or business/would improve the choices in the used vehicle market for private buyers/ etc etc.

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