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#3257470 8-Jul-2024 15:58

Handsomedan:

Scott3:

Interested to hear how money works with the charger (assuming your employer is installing the charger you mentioned at your home?)

From what I can tell, it looks like I'll be paid 40c per KWh for charging at home to compensate for the additional electricity usage. I think the charging unit will be hooked up via wifi to H/O somehow.

Wow, 40c/kWh - is it expected to be a 'public' charger or something?

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#3257473 8-Jul-2024 16:03

SaltyNZ:

Handsomedan:

Scott3:

Interested to hear how money works with the charger (assuming your employer is installing the charger you mentioned at your home?)

From what I can tell, it looks like I'll be paid 40c per KWh for charging at home to compensate for the additional electricity usage. I think the charging unit will be hooked up via wifi to H/O somehow.

Wow, 40c/kWh - is it expected to be a 'public' charger or something?

I think it's a way of shutting us all up, to be honest - nobody is really all that happy about having their ICE vehicles taken off them and replaced with EV's that are smaller and have shorter range etc.

THey haven't done an amazing job of selling the benefits - to many in our organisation I think it's seen as a kind of punishment.
Personally, I am quite excited. I don't do that many long distance trips - I am just going to miss my towbar and the famliarity of a vehicle I have had for nearly 3 years.

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#3257484 8-Jul-2024 16:24

What happens if you live somewhere where it's not possible to have a charger installed? Can you use a public charger and charge it back to the company?

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#3257492 8-Jul-2024 16:39

alasta:

What happens if you live somewhere where it's not possible to have a charger installed? Can you use a public charger and charge it back to the company?

Yes - we have a card that works like a fuel card, apparently and we can use that at any Chargenet facility nationwide.

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#3257496 8-Jul-2024 16:43

Handsomedan:

I think it's a way of shutting us all up, to be honest - nobody is really all that happy about having their ICE vehicles taken off them and replaced with EV's that are smaller and have shorter range etc.

THey haven't done an amazing job of selling the benefits - to many in our organisation I think it's seen as a kind of punishment.
Personally, I am quite excited. I don't do that many long distance trips - I am just going to miss my towbar and the famliarity of a vehicle I have had for nearly 3 years.

40c/kWh seems extremely generous. Assuming you are already on a standard user plan, your real cost is likely under 20c/kWh.

The atto3 is rated to tow 750kg, a step down from the 1500kg of the Rav4 hybrid, but you can still tow stuff if your employer is willing to have a towbar fitted.

Personally I think any late model company issued vehicle is a sweet deal. And assuming they are new extended range Atto 3's (currently the cheapest Atto3 advertised), they are a fairly desirable EV. Atto 3 is the best selling non tesla EV so far this year (#3 overall).

They are only a little bit smaller than a Rav4, but you do loose AWD & the 1500kG tow rating.

I'm not sure if you will be allowed, but they look a lot nicer if you use dental floss and a hairdryer to remove the badges from the rear.

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#3257553 8-Jul-2024 17:33

I took a BYD Sealion 6 for a drive. While it is a PHEV not a BEV, it was an interesting vehicle to drive and I can see it may appeal to those not ready for full electric.
It would be interesting to know if companies like the one above (Handsomedan’s) would consider a vehicle like that, although the base model (FWD) only has the same towing capability as the Atto 3. It does have a WLTP range of 80-90km (depending on model) and my test drive validated that and also returned 5.5l/100km in hybrid mode. Considering my old Camry hybrid did 5.2l/100km and was about half a ton lighter, I thought that was pretty impressive.

I reckon the BYD will probably sell the Shark PHEV Ute in numbers to companies that need a truck but want some green street cred as well.

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#3257701 9-Jul-2024 12:43

Right to repair / warranty on Tesla Cybertruck

Presenter is from New York, so some rough language. He was previously a repair technician.

Tesla's cybertruck warranty is what happens when consumer protection is a joke

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#3257733 9-Jul-2024 13:33

Based on Gemini's summary of that video (I didn't want to watch through it all to get to the point), the point he's making is that Tesla advertises the vehicle as a stationary power source (V2H/V2L) but damage done to the battery from this is excluded in the warranty. While that is shitty, it's not really applicable in NZ where our CGA would protect against that. This is an issue in the US where companies can advertise something but then not cover it under warranty when you do that thing. Another example is Apple with the iPhone and Watch - while they advertise both as being used in water, they exclude water damage from the warranty in the US. In NZ, the Disputes Tribunal has ruled against Apple many times on that.

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#3257741 9-Jul-2024 13:54

kingdragonfly: Right to repair / warranty on Tesla Cybertruck

Presenter is from New York, so some rough language. He was previously a repair technician.

Tesla's cybertruck warranty is what happens when consumer protection is a joke

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He's Being a total Jerk,

He has decided that the legal definition of "stationary" with reference to a power source, means "any time not moving". when its clear they are talking about using it for a long term/permanent period.

Based on his definition your warranty would be voided by simply plugging your phone into the CyberTruck's USB socket to charge while you were parked....

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#3257758 9-Jul-2024 15:01

Dingbatt:

I took a BYD Sealion 6 for a drive. While it is a PHEV not a BEV, it was an interesting vehicle to drive and I can see it may appeal to those not ready for full electric.
... It does have a WLTP range of 80-90km (depending on model) and my test drive validated that and also returned 5.5l/100km in hybrid mode. Considering my old Camry hybrid did 5.2l/100km and was about half a ton lighter, I thought that was pretty impressive.

I'm a bit confused - the brand new BYD Sealion PHEV has a higher fuel consumption than your old Camry hybrid which was also half a ton lighter, and judging by your post - the BYD also had lower towing capacity than the Camry. So what was pretty impressive about the BYD then?

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#3257764 9-Jul-2024 15:17

wellygary: [re Tesla Cybertruck]He has decided that the legal definition of "stationary" with reference to a power source, means "any time not moving". when its clear they are talking about using it for a long term/permanent period.

He's making a point that Tesla doesn't define what is stationary.

A similar example would be saying a device is water resistant, but then not spelling out what that means. It would give the manufacturer a convenient and vague "trump card" if the device was damaged by water.

Repeated by this article:

Electrek: Tesla voids your warranty if you try to power your home with your electric car battery pack
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Tesla’s warranty states that you can’t use your vehicle “as a stationary power source.”

The moral of the story: if you are going to do that, don’t post it on social media because Tesla will find it.

While I had my issues with Tesla’s warranty before, I understand them in this case since the vehicles are not made for that.

That’s a shame, though.
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#3257766 9-Jul-2024 15:22

Kookoo:

I'm a bit confused - the brand new BYD Sealion PHEV has a higher fuel consumption than your old Camry hybrid which was also half a ton lighter, and judging by your post - the BYD also had lower towing capacity than the Camry. So what was pretty impressive about the BYD then?

I think the OP is impressed that the Sealion 6, which is a reasonably big SUV , is getting only slightly worse "MPG" than a saloon

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#3257772 9-Jul-2024 15:34

kingdragonfly:
wellygary: [re Tesla Cybertruck]He has decided that the legal definition of "stationary" with reference to a power source, means "any time not moving". when its clear they are talking about using it for a long term/permanent period.

He's making a point that Tesla doesn't define what is stationary.

A similar example would be saying a device is water resistant, but then not spelling out what that means. It would give the manufacturer a convenient and vague "trump card" if the device was damaged by water.

There is no requirement for a company to specify objectively every limit on its product,

The Legal system has something called the "reasonable person test/standard" which is used to quantify things that are unclear....

Definitions of "reasonable" are pretty much the basis of most Consumer rights protection ... both in Statute and case law...

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#3257776 9-Jul-2024 15:41

wellygary:

Kookoo:

I'm a bit confused - the brand new BYD Sealion PHEV has a higher fuel consumption than your old Camry hybrid which was also half a ton lighter, and judging by your post - the BYD also had lower towing capacity than the Camry. So what was pretty impressive about the BYD then?

I think the OP is impressed that the Sealion 6, which is a reasonably big SUV , is getting only slightly worse "MPG" than a saloon

Ah, that makes sense. Although:

Sealion 6 wheelbase is 2765mm, length 4775mm, width 1890mm, height 1670mm

Camry wheelbase is 2825mm, length 4885mm, width 1840mm, height 1455mm

Which makes the Sealion quite a bit higher, but otherwise very similar to the Camry dimensions-wise.

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#3257783 9-Jul-2024 16:15

Kookoo:

Ah, that makes sense. Although:

Sealion 6 wheelbase is 2765mm, length 4775mm, width 1890mm, height 1670mm

Camry wheelbase is 2825mm, length 4885mm, width 1840mm, height 1455mm

Which makes the Sealion quite a bit higher, but otherwise very similar to the Camry dimensions-wise.

Frontal area is a big driver of aerodynamic drag, and the Sealine is wider and significantly taller. Also sedans shape is closer to that of a teardrop, hence they typically have a lower co-efficient of drag (slipperiness given same frontal area) than two box suv's. Hence why sedan is a popular shape for EV's, while becoming less popular in combustion cars. Better areo = better range in an EV.

Weight is also a factor as it impacts the rolling resistance of the tires, and regen isn't perfect, so a heavier vehicle will use more energy in an acceleration / slowing down cycle than a lighter one.

The fact that the Sealion 6 is knocking around in the same ballpark for economy in hybrid mode as Toyota hybrids (generally seen as market leaders in this area), in a PHEV with 80 - 90km or rated range is seriously impressive.

With the outlander PHEV being the dominant PHEV in NZ, we have become a bit accustomed to PHEV's with short electric ranges that are pretty thirsty in hybrid mode (older ones are 20 - 40km electric range, and 8-9 l/100km in hybrid mode)

Better comparison might be the Rav4 prime. I think the sealion beats it on both electric range and Hybrid economy, but the Rav4 prime is AWD, more powerful and gets a slightly higher tow rating (1300kg vs 1500kg)

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