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#3297128 14-Oct-2024 10:30

Handsomedan:

OK - next stupid question - do I need to set up an account with anyone, or are they like a Gas station, where I can just pay via card at the "pump"?

No, you will need an account,

This is a pretty good primer for an EV roadie

https://charge.net.nz/knowledge-article/10-ev-charging-tips-for-new-drivers/

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#3297129 14-Oct-2024 10:33

Handsomedan:

OK - next stupid question - do I need to set up an account with anyone, or are they like a Gas station, where I can just pay via card at the "pump"?

Setup an account with Chargenet and if you want, Tesla

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#3297131 14-Oct-2024 10:47

lchiu7:

Handsomedan:

OK - next stupid question - do I need to set up an account with anyone, or are they like a Gas station, where I can just pay via card at the "pump"?

Setup an account with Chargenet and if you want, Tesla

There are also a bunch of others, some of which are fairly regional in scope:

ChargeNet
Tesla
Z
BP
Zero
Hikotron
OpenLoop
We.EV

I have used all of these except for Hikotron; I signed up but have not since been back to the place where I saw their chargers (the Millenium aquatic centre in Albany).

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#3297135 14-Oct-2024 11:33

Used the new BP Charging Hub in Tirau on the weekend. Had done a round trip from Paeroa to Taupo and back.

The car reckoned I had about 77km range left at Tirau to travel the 78km home (and no, I'm not brave enough to risk it).

Stopped at the BP in Tirau. 10 Charging bays. Connected up, went inside and bought an Ice Cream, came back out and checked my messages. 5 minutes charge ~135kW/h into my MG4, ~90km range added for ~$10. So easy. Nice place to stop and well laid out.

I got home with over 90km range left (so I probably would have made it - I think it's downhill from Tirau - still, wouldn't risk it).

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#3297136 14-Oct-2024 11:38

morrisk:

lchiu7:

A question from a non Tesla owner. A friend of mine has a Chevy Bolt in the US and he is now able to access the Tesla Superchargers to charge it. He does need a NACS adapter and some setup in his Ford car app. He asked if people can charge non-Tesla cars in a Tesla supercharger here and I said I didn't know but would ask.

Full disclosure - I have a BYD Atto3 and I might use a Tesla charger if I were on a long road trip and other chargers were not available.

Yes you can - but not at all supercharger sites - you can see which one when you use their app.

I used their superchargers at Taihape a few months back when the Z chargers at Waiouru were all busy with a fleet of new EV buses being charged there. Was good to be able to carry on to Taihape and find the Superchargers all unused (the other chargers were all in use I suspect because of the buses at Waiouru).

There was some mucking around getting the app set up and payment details entered but once I had done that the charging was easy. I wasn't particulary worried about cost just good to get my EV 6 charged and on my way.

To find the locations, no need to download the app. (but you do need the app to see pricing, and activate chargers).

Go to the link below, and turn off anything other than supercharger's open to other EV's (you can toggle superchargers on & off to see the tesla exclusive locations)

https://www.tesla.com/en_nz/findus?v=2&bounds=-35.41394016855286%2C-177.85461957680866%2C-44.36925485393617%2C161.05163042319145&zoom=7&filters=store%2Cservice%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers%2Csupercharger

And for benefit of those used to the USA, most tesla's in NZ, have CCS2 plugs, and all the superchargers offer CCS2 cables, so no adaptors needed for CCS2 cars. (And CHadeMO cars are not supported at tesla superchargers).

In general competing charger brands have slightly cheaper rates than tesla supercharger casual rates (and longer cables), so a lot of (non tesla) EV drivers prefer other charging brands. Should note that our competing charging brands are a lot higher quality than what they have in the USA, with Chargenet and Z being particularly notable.

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#3297215 14-Oct-2024 12:55

Scott3:

morrisk:

lchiu7:

A question from a non Tesla owner. A friend of mine has a Chevy Bolt in the US and he is now able to access the Tesla Superchargers to charge it. He does need a NACS adapter and some setup in his Ford car app. He asked if people can charge non-Tesla cars in a Tesla supercharger here and I said I didn't know but would ask.

Full disclosure - I have a BYD Atto3 and I might use a Tesla charger if I were on a long road trip and other chargers were not available.

Yes you can - but not at all supercharger sites - you can see which one when you use their app.

I used their superchargers at Taihape a few months back when the Z chargers at Waiouru were all busy with a fleet of new EV buses being charged there. Was good to be able to carry on to Taihape and find the Superchargers all unused (the other chargers were all in use I suspect because of the buses at Waiouru).

There was some mucking around getting the app set up and payment details entered but once I had done that the charging was easy. I wasn't particulary worried about cost just good to get my EV 6 charged and on my way.

To find the locations, no need to download the app. (but you do need the app to see pricing, and activate chargers).

Go to the link below, and turn off anything other than supercharger's open to other EV's (you can toggle superchargers on & off to see the tesla exclusive locations)

https://www.tesla.com/en_nz/findus?v=2&bounds=-35.41394016855286%2C-177.85461957680866%2C-44.36925485393617%2C161.05163042319145&zoom=7&filters=store%2Cservice%2Cbodyshop%2Cparty%2Cself%20serve%20demo%20drive%2Cnacs%2Cdelivery%20centers%2Csupercharger

And for benefit of those used to the USA, most tesla's in NZ, have CCS2 plugs, and all the superchargers offer CCS2 cables, so no adaptors needed for CCS2 cars. (And CHadeMO cars are not supported at tesla superchargers).

In general competing charger brands have slightly cheaper rates than tesla supercharger casual rates (and longer cables), so a lot of (non tesla) EV drivers prefer other charging brands. Should note that our competing charging brands are a lot higher quality than what they have in the USA, with Chargenet and Z being particularly notable.

We can thank the EU for that. But of course now in a reversal, in the US it seems that most manufacturers are adopting the Tesla plug (now called the NACS) and you need to buy an adapter to use it on a non Tesla car.

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#3297217 14-Oct-2024 13:06

lchiu7:

We can thank the EU for that. But of course now in a reversal, in the US it seems that most manufacturers are adopting the Tesla plug (now called the NACS) and you need to buy an adapter to use it on a non Tesla car.

It is a better connector as the latching is done the logical way, like with CCS2 plugs. Plus NACS makes them have to support 277 volt which is what a delta wired 480v supply is, which is what is common into businesses in the US/Canada so no stepdown transformer to 120/240 split phase is needed, whereas type 1 charging maxes out at 240v.

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#3297218 14-Oct-2024 13:12

richms:

lchiu7:

We can thank the EU for that. But of course now in a reversal, in the US it seems that most manufacturers are adopting the Tesla plug (now called the NACS) and you need to buy an adapter to use it on a non Tesla car.

It is a better connector as the latching is done the logical way, like with CCS2 plugs. Plus NACS makes them have to support 277 volt which is what a delta wired 480v supply is, which is what is common into businesses in the US/Canada so no stepdown transformer to 120/240 split phase is needed, whereas type 1 charging maxes out at 240v.

But with Tesla's avoidance of bidirectional charging in their EVs (except the CT) is V2G possible using NACS connection?

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#3297223 14-Oct-2024 13:52

@trig42:

came back out and checked my messages. 5 minutes charge ~135kW/h into my MG4, ~90km range added for ~$10. So easy. Nice place to stop and well laid out.

did you miss a decimal point in there? Your car neither has that big a battery nor are there chargers that can deliver that much juice that quickly.

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#3297226 14-Oct-2024 13:59

Jase2985:

@trig42:

came back out and checked my messages. 5 minutes charge ~135kW/h into my MG4, ~90km range added for ~$10. So easy. Nice place to stop and well laid out.

did you miss a decimal point in there? Your car neither has that big a battery nor are there chargers that can deliver that much juice that quickly.

Was charging at 135kW. Gave me 12.8 kWh in that time. So, I think what I wrote is correct - If I'd left it there for an hour, and I had a battery big enough, I would have got 135kW in an hour so, 135kW per hour or 135kW/h.

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#3297227 14-Oct-2024 14:08

trig42:

Jase2985:

did you miss a decimal point in there? Your car neither has that big a battery nor are there chargers that can deliver that much juice that quickly.

Was charging at 135kW. Gave me 12.8 kWh in that time. So, I think what I wrote is correct - If I'd left it there for an hour, and I had a battery big enough, I would have got 135kW in an hour so, 135kW per hour or 135kW/h.

If you appreciated the difference between kW and kWh and were correct in usage of those units in your earlier post you'd avoid the confusion you've caused here.

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#3297229 14-Oct-2024 14:12

HarmLessSolutions:

But with Tesla's avoidance of bidirectional charging in their EVs (except the CT) is V2G possible using NACS connection?

No idea on that. It is just a plug so they could extend the standard to support it easily enough. I am not that concerned with V2G, however V2L would be nice to have in a car.

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#3297231 14-Oct-2024 14:29

richms:

No idea on that. It is just a plug so they could extend the standard to support it easily enough. I am not that concerned with V2G, however V2L would be nice to have in a car.

Yeah V2L is like having a generator with you wherever. Been really handy in the MG during one long power outage. If they offered a reasonably priced retrofit to the 3 then I'd consider getting it in that too.

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#3297234 14-Oct-2024 14:31

trig42:

Jase2985:

did you miss a decimal point in there? Your car neither has that big a battery nor are there chargers that can deliver that much juice that quickly.

Was charging at 135kW. Gave me 12.8 kWh in that time. So, I think what I wrote is correct - If I'd left it there for an hour, and I had a battery big enough, I would have got 135kW in an hour so, 135kW per hour or 135kW/h.

kW is power at an instant

kWh is the total amount of energy.

kW/h is not really a thing. (technically it can be a ramp rate).

I would have got 135kWh in an hour so, 135kWh per hour or 135kWh/h = 135kW

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#3297235 14-Oct-2024 14:34

Scott3:

kW is power at an instant

kWh is the total amount of energy.

kW/h is not really a thing. (technically it can be a ramp rate).

This is why I hate kilowatt hour as a unit of measure, could have used a joule based thing to measure powered stored in a battery. Too easy for people to mix the 2 up, particularly when saying a car was the 60 kilowatt model or something. That would be anemic if it was actually a 60 kilowatt car - morris minors would be on the same level of performance.

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