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  #3301775 26-Oct-2024 14:39
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And herein is one of the main reasons why EV take up has its limits. People with no off street parking cannot charge at home. And people who rent are unlikely to install charging units in their landlord’s property, and landlords won’t see any cost benefit in doing so. And with fewer numbers of young people unable to afford a home, the % of renters will only increase over time.

 

 

And then there's the problem of apartment and townhouse complexes with shared car parking facilities. People often say "just tell the body corporate to install chargers" but, as someone who is on a body corporate committee, I can assure you it's nowhere near that simple. 




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  #3301787 26-Oct-2024 15:28
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Probably not under this EV-unfriendly government, but other countries have actually made regulations that makes it a pre-requisite for apartment buildings to provide EV charging. So the body corporate committees wouldn't have a choice in the matter.





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  #3301853 26-Oct-2024 18:42
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Probably not under this EV-unfriendly government, but other countries have actually made regulations that makes it a pre-requisite for apartment buildings to provide EV charging. So the body corporate committees wouldn't have a choice in the matter.

 

 

Thank god we don't have rules like that here. Providing charging infrastructure at our complex would be horrendously complex and expensive.

 

Our residents have just been hit with an 18% levy increase, mainly due to increasing insurance costs, at the same time they are struggling with obscene increases in council rates. It would be untenable to hit them with more costs for something that the vast majority of them wouldn't even use. 




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  #3301868 26-Oct-2024 20:25
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It would be untenable to hit them with more costs for something that the vast majority of them wouldn't even use. 

 

 

That is an important difference, of course. A LOT more EVs in Norway.

 

But I think a regulation that says you have to make it possible for someone to get a charger would make sense, and it could be on the expense of whoever needed the charger.

 

It is important infrastructure that needs to be put in place for the future.





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  #3301871 26-Oct-2024 20:35
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For the average commuter a high power charger is not required. Convenient access to a standard 10A jack is all that is needed for most people.


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  #3301872 26-Oct-2024 20:40
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For the average commuter a high power charger is not required. Convenient access to a standard 10A jack is all that is needed for most people.

 

For convenience and ability to take best advantage of power pricing discounts or solar diversion a 7kW AC connection should be regarded as standard issue, especially when the facility is provided as part of a tenancy agreement. 





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  #3301878 26-Oct-2024 21:08
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For convenience and ability to take best advantage of power pricing discounts or solar diversion a 7kW AC connection should be regarded as standard issue, especially when the facility is provided as part of a tenancy agreement. 

 

 

Apartments which are the biggest problem for EVs dont typically have any ability for solar to be installed in them. Also they are the ones that will be hitting the max demand for the building if everyone was to even try to charge at 15A in their carparking spots as they seriously under spec the capacity for the whole buildings.





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  #3301910 26-Oct-2024 22:39
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

For convenience and ability to take best advantage of power pricing discounts or solar diversion a 7kW AC connection should be regarded as standard issue, especially when the facility is provided as part of a tenancy agreement. 

 

 

Apartments which are the biggest problem for EVs dont typically have any ability for solar to be installed in them. Also they are the ones that will be hitting the max demand for the building if everyone was to even try to charge at 15A in their carparking spots as they seriously under spec the capacity for the whole buildings.

 

I should have made myself clearer and not conflated two issues. I wasn't suggesting that apartment dwellers can install solar but the adequacy of any facility, such as an EV charging connection, should have a minimum standard and as most EVs have a 7kW AC input then that seems like a reasonable expectation for landlords to work towards and therefore for regulators to model standards around.





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  #3301948 27-Oct-2024 10:04
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Charging at charging stations is not impractical or cost prohibitive. In practice many people do it all the time for one reason or another.

 

 

Maybe not cost prohibitive, but still impractical.

 

We regularly visit relatives 600kms away, often a short trip for a couple of nights, so I don’t want to be waiting around for up to one hour at a charging station for my return journey.

 

When battery and charging technology get close to ICE refill times, I’m in. Until then, no.


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  #3301951 27-Oct-2024 10:13
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gzt:

 

Charging at charging stations is not impractical or cost prohibitive. In practice many people do it all the time for one reason or another.

 

 

Maybe not cost prohibitive, but still impractical.

 

We regularly visit relatives 600kms away, often a short trip for a couple of nights, so I don’t want to be waiting around for up to one hour at a charging station for my return journey.

 

When battery and charging technology get close to ICE refill times, I’m in. Until then, no.

 

Easy solution is to run a granny charger from a convenient wall socket at your relative's during your nights' stay with them. Shout them a meal out if required to sweeten the deal. That strategy works great for us.

 

I am struggling to connect "600km away" with "a short trip for a couple of nights" though.





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  #3301969 27-Oct-2024 11:29
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The most I would drive in a day would be 500km, and I wouldn't be too bothered about stopping over somewhere for an hour to charge. My bigger concern is the likelihood of arriving at the charger to find it occupied by another legitimate user, or obstructed by a nuisance vehicle. 


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  #3301993 27-Oct-2024 12:32
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On the plus side charging times continue to reduce with newer vehicles, capacity continues to increase, and if you're leaving home with a full tank as most people do, you probably don't need a full 60 minutes on the charger to get home comfortably.


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  #3302126 27-Oct-2024 17:38
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The most I would drive in a day would be 500km, and I wouldn't be too bothered about stopping over somewhere for an hour to charge. My bigger concern is the likelihood of arriving at the charger to find it occupied by another legitimate user, or obstructed by a nuisance vehicle. 

 

 

On major routes there are generally multiple options for chargers in each city/town from different companies. Each company has 2-10 chargers, so there is usually options, and you can see that before you arrive with how much charge they have so it would give you an idea of how long they would be before they finish.

 

With there being more and more longer range cars out there, there is less and less need to charge on some of the smaller trips around the country.


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  #3302128 27-Oct-2024 17:43
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alasta:

 

The most I would drive in a day would be 500km, and I wouldn't be too bothered about stopping over somewhere for an hour to charge. My bigger concern is the likelihood of arriving at the charger to find it occupied by another legitimate user, or obstructed by a nuisance vehicle. 

 

 

On major routes there are generally multiple options for chargers in each city/town from different companies. Each company has 2-10 chargers, so there is usually options, and you can see that before you arrive with how much charge they have so it would give you an idea of how long they would be before they finish.

 

With there being more and more longer range cars out there, there is less and less need to charge on some of the smaller trips around the country.

 

Also many of the app that the charging networks are accessed through will tell you in advance if the chargers at a location are available IRT so you can adjust your schedule to best advantage if required. Admittedly this doesn't include if a charger is being 'ICEd' but I've yet to strike that in our travels.





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  #3302163 27-Oct-2024 19:15
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Also many of the app that the charging networks are accessed through will tell you in advance if the chargers at a location are available IRT so you can adjust your schedule to best advantage if required. Admittedly this doesn't include if a charger is being 'ICEd' but I've yet to strike that in our travels.

 

 

 

 

I haven't been completely ICE'd in years. I did make a sarcastic comment to a ute driver in Turangi last year but he wasn't actually completely blocking the charger, merely taking one of its two bays. And there were three other chargers.





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