Lets Get Welly Moving releases its options for Wellington Transport

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#2936465 30-Jun-2022 13:20

Eva888: Why can’t they build light rail over the top of existing roads as they do in Bangkok, cars driving underneath. No tunnels, platforms into some of the buildings along the way.

Sections can be built off site to cause less disruption and then bolted in place on foundations along the way. They could even make it wider to have a cycleway the entire length. Dreaming...

Yes. Years of watching motorways getting built without allowance for busways or elevated rail. That ship has sailed. If you want a classic example, the N’Western Motorway (Auckland again sorry) had a busway as part of the design but was dropped from the plans to save cost. It is now going to be retrofitted at 4 (or is it 5?) times the cost.

Im not against MRT, just the ridiculous vanity projects proposed, using money we don’t have, while everything else crumbles around us.

Light rail to the airport to catch your electric aeroplane to a centre 100km away anyone?

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#2936489 30-Jun-2022 14:01

TinyTim:

This one would do the trick: Akashi Kaikyo Bridge, 2km central span, 70m height, high wind rating and high earthquake rating, 6 traffic lanes. Oh, no rail - LGWM would never allow that.

That bridge cost $3.8 billion USD in 1998, converted to NZD and adjusted for inflation that is nearly $10 billion NZD for a single bridge.

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#2936505 30-Jun-2022 14:12

Dingbatt:

Move government departments out of Wellington and get it moving overnight.

Oh and at $15B the Auckland light rail would cost $3000 for every NZer and benefit 100000 Aucklanders (at most). Yesterday’s solution to today’s problem, tomorrow.

Yes the $15 billion is a very high cost and comparing with international costs seems very inflated but you back of the envelope calculation doesn't really make sense.

Sure it would be $3000 per NZer if it was a single use item but it will be around for decades benefiting millions of people.

Over 50 years it is only $60 per person per year

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#2936530 30-Jun-2022 15:04

blackjack17:

TinyTim:

This one would do the trick: Akashi Kaikyo Bridge, 2km central span, 70m height, high wind rating and high earthquake rating, 6 traffic lanes. Oh, no rail - LGWM would never allow that.

That bridge cost $3.8 billion USD in 1998, converted to NZD and adjusted for inflation that is nearly $10 billion NZD for a single bridge.

Where would such a bridge go in Te Whanganui a Tara?

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2936542 30-Jun-2022 15:54

MikeB4:

Where would such a bridge go in Te Whanganui a Tara?

In Wellington. Gorge to Airport

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#2936551 30-Jun-2022 15:59

Dingbatt:

Light rail to the airport to catch your electric aeroplane to a centre 100km away anyone?

The airport is the problem, the Light Rail was needed and is needed across Auckland itself and the airport has sort of stuffed everything up.

You ended up with a system you've got to build anyway along Dom Road now being diverted away from Dom Road and possibly down Sandringham to get to the airport as part of a business case that should really have only been comparing the extension cost of the Light Rail needed to Mt Roskill to the Airport... but of course now time to the airport is the main thing everyone is hyper focused on so the benefits you could get with a $6b surface line are now totally gone, even though it was the whole point of the project.

Like I am the biggest fan of Light Rail there is and even I want this thing nixed. It would honestly be better to come back and try again later than suck up all our transport funding for decades to come on.... whatever this is. Similar with the Harbour tunnels we are now on a lock to build, even though a bus/LRT bridge would do the same thing for a fraction of the cost.

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#2936570 30-Jun-2022 16:48

MikeAqua:

In Wellington. Gorge to Airport

Across Evans Bay, that is the flight path for the airport also the winds in Evans Bay can get very fierce and would be very difficult driving. In my view rail from the city to the airport and eastern suburbs is a better solution.

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#2936576 30-Jun-2022 17:12

blackjack17:

Sure it would be $3000 per NZer if it was a single use item but it will be around for decades benefiting millions of people.

Over 50 years it is only $60 per person per year

Oh sorry, didn’t realise there was an Afterpay option for infrastructure projects.

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#2936673 30-Jun-2022 20:06

MikeB4:
MikeAqua:

In Wellington. Gorge to Airport

Across Evans Bay, that is the flight path for the airport also the winds in Evans Bay can get very fierce and would be very difficult driving. In my view rail from the city to the airport and eastern suburbs is a better solution.

Not only that. - there is space around the roads you could use (and or the middle of the road - it has a very big median). I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t - I would even give up the rest of Miramar golf course for high density housing.

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#2936674 30-Jun-2022 20:07

Sorry for the double post - but not to mention the almost completely undeveloped north end of the peninsula…

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#2936676 30-Jun-2022 20:13

Dingbatt:

blackjack17:

Sure it would be $3000 per NZer if it was a single use item but it will be around for decades benefiting millions of people.

Over 50 years it is only $60 per person per year

Oh sorry, didn’t realise there was an Afterpay option for infrastructure projects.

Of course there is. Did you pay cash for your house?

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#2937180 1-Jul-2022 14:45

MikeB4:

Across Evans Bay, that is the flight path for the airport also the winds in Evans Bay can get very fierce and would be very difficult driving. In my view rail from the city to the airport and eastern suburbs is a better solution.

I didn't say it was a good idea. I was just clarifying the suggested route.

If the wind speeds at which the Auckland Bridge are closed are any indication, a similar bridge in Welly would hardly ever be open

The easy solution is to make it an elevated tunnel. Wind be damned and land the planes on top. Combination bridge and runway extension. Bad luck if your landing is a little skewed.

Continue the bridge under the whole length of the runway and carry on to the mainland. Get rid of the cook strait ~~pirates~~ ferries as well.

Too easy

Mike