Hybrid cars, and which ones are available these days

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#2853055 18-Jan-2022 19:15

The OP even left the door open for EVs on the first page, so I’d say the discussion is on topic, even if it varies from the title somewhat.

edit: apologies, it was page 2. Either way, it’s probably for the OP to say what’s on topic or not.

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#2853061 18-Jan-2022 19:42

Dingbatt:

I don’t need to read back. I can guarantee that any thread that is started by someone wanting advice on a vehicle will have one of the usual suspects chime in within the first couple of pages with “have you considered an EV?” even if what they are suggesting is completely at odds with what is being asked. “I’ve got $25K to spend on a family car that will tow my boat”. “Have you considered a $50K MG ZS or a clapped out Leaf?”

Doesn’t take much to take a thread completely off topic. Reading the title sometimes helps get it back. If you want to discuss how temperature affects range. Start a thread on it because a hybrid that has 300km worth of fuel in its tank will have that whether it’s -5 or +15 degrees.

Please note, your inputs on EVs are completely valid and I support your passion for them, but they belong in the appropriate threads.

If the OP responded and said that an EV wasn't an option for them, then I wouldn't be here. Instead, they suggested that yeah, it's something they might be open to.

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#2853073 18-Jan-2022 20:15

Dingbatt:
I don’t need to read back. I can guarantee that any thread that is started by someone wanting advice on a vehicle will have one of the usual suspects chime in within the first couple of pages with “have you considered an EV?” even if what they are suggesting is completely at odds with what is being asked. “I’ve got $25K to spend on a family car that will tow my boat”. “Have you considered a $50K MG ZS or a clapped out Leaf?”

Doesn’t take much to take a thread completely off topic. Reading the title sometimes helps get it back. If you want to discuss how temperature affects range. Start a thread on it because a hybrid that has 300km worth of fuel in its tank will have that whether it’s -5 or +15 degrees.

Please note, your inputs on EVs are completely valid and I support your passion for them, but they belong in the appropriate threads.

My 2 cents,
I can assure those trying to peer pressure an alternative (EV vs Hybrid), that in most cases people have done their research and just want a confirmation or shared experience about the car they have nearly decided to buy.
I met once very much obsessed Leaf owner - let's name her Margaret, who went ballistic after hearing the word "hybrid" , she was joking that it can only drive in EV mode from the garage to the mail box. And what do you know? After just 3 years her Leaf battery degraded to that exact point - from the garage to the mailbox and I've heard she bought PHEV.

It is like real estate agents who claim they know better which house you want.
You tell them brick and tile 1 storey and they start bombarding you with cladding townhouse 3 storey dog sheds.

As for the "300kms worth of fuel" - Toyota Prime has 1000kms worth of fuel in it's tank.

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#2853160 19-Jan-2022 07:48

RUKI:

As for the "300kms worth of fuel" - Toyota Prime has 1000kms worth of fuel in it's tank.

The 300km comment was to illustrate that temperature doesn’t massively affect range. Not that hybrids only had that much.

My Camry Hybrid has a 60 litre fuel tank. So it will do just under 1200km at my normal consumption rate.

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#2853171 19-Jan-2022 08:35

Sorry...I should have clarified earlier.

Either an EV or Hybrid is fine, although my inclination is probably a Hybrid in the event that I need to do longer distance driving.

A hatchback is probably okay for what I need, and budget, well, I'm not a rich man, so probably about $8k (not too much more).

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#2853174 19-Jan-2022 08:44

^ and thats the key, finding an EV that works for people thats also $8k can be tricky. There are so few used evs around it basically means a leaf and you have to live with its limits.

Reducing fuel usage is a worthy thing even if it means switching to a straight ol hybrid. Hopefully in a few years time the obvious easy answer is 'buy an EV'.

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#2853175 19-Jan-2022 08:44

Dingbatt:

Why is this being discussed in the Hybrid Vehicle thread?

There are numerous EV threads on GZ. Please stick to your lane.

Because it's essentially a conversation and conversations go off on tangents.

Nice pun though.

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#2853181 19-Jan-2022 08:57

I am really sorry for my comment on EV range. I should have known it would start a war, and I should have qualified it with 'for my typical driving' - any discussion on vehicle range should include the driving conditions and driving style, especially EV.

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#2853536 19-Jan-2022 14:58

quickymart:
Sorry...I should have clarified earlier.

Either an EV or Hybrid is fine, although my inclination is probably a Hybrid in the event that I need to do longer distance driving.

A hatchback is probably okay for what I need, and budget, well, I'm not a rich man, so probably about $8k (not too much more).

I was today art Ranui, helping with diagnostic of NHW-20 Prius (2004-2009) model. ODO 169k they want $6k. Battery is fine.
That is what your money can buy.

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#2853545 19-Jan-2022 15:12

We bought a 2018 Prius Prime PHEV with 2000km on it in Feb 2020 (thinking we were fortunate to buy it when we did). Has 45,000km on it now...averaging 1.9L per 100km. The 50km Battery is enough for us to drive to town and back (13km each way) on battery.

A few times it was so long between fill-ups.... I forgot what side fill it up on. I love the car....

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#2853552 19-Jan-2022 15:32

quickymart:

Sorry...I should have clarified earlier.

Either an EV or Hybrid is fine, although my inclination is probably a Hybrid in the event that I need to do longer distance driving.

A hatchback is probably okay for what I need, and budget, well, I'm not a rich man, so probably about $8k (not too much more).

A $8k budget puts some constraints around options. Used cars are expensive at the moment care of the pandemic.

With regards to a pure EV, all that $8k buys is a 2013 or earlier leaf, with a pretty tired pack (battery chemistry prior to 2014 degrades a lot faster). No good for going out of town, so cross that off the list.

A Hybrid is still a good pick in that price range. Fuel becomes a much bigger chunk of running costs at the cheaper end of the car market, so having something really economical is great. But at $8k you are looking at an older or high mileage car. Lucky Toyota hybrid have a good reputation for reliability.

Key options are:

2nd gen prius
3rd gen prius (will need to find a cheaper one to meet budget).
Aqua / Prius C (real struggle to get one in budget at all, and likely will have the theft prone turn key start).

Personally I would be chasing a cira 2010 prius lift-back, with moderate to high mileage like the below:

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Really Rare find, but below is an a NZ New Prius C that fits budget, and push button start, so not easy stolen:

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#2853636 19-Jan-2022 16:53

If you wait till 2 April you might get a bargain - NZ new Prius C 2012, low mileage, high spec, immobilizer, new wheels, mag wheel, NZ maps...

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#2853644 19-Jan-2022 17:29

The Prius looks okay - but I'm also curious as to whether any other makers do hybrids, apart from Toyota with the Prius line?

I used to visit The Clean Green Car Company from time to time when they still existed, and they had a good range of hybrids apart from Toyota (and - from memory - a few EVs), but they're long gone now.

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#2853651 19-Jan-2022 17:39

quickymart:

The Prius looks okay - but I'm also curious as to whether any other makers do hybrids, apart from Toyota with the Prius line?

I used to visit The Clean Green Car Company from time to time when they still existed, and they had a good range of hybrids apart from Toyota (and - from memory - a few EVs), but they're long gone now.

I assume you mean you were curious about whether other makers do hybrids, as a number of us have provided answers to this very question earlier in the thread, especially the detailed replies from Scott3!

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#2853725 19-Jan-2022 18:06

Avoid older model Honda Insight hybrids. You might be tempted with your budget. Don't.

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