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#2925215 11-Jun-2022 11:49

RobDickinson:

Back is so dark I doubt anyone would see anything anyhow, like my outlander never had a shelf in that. I suspect it'll come with tho.

Not so much the privacy issue: I've read enough people commenting on heat being a problem. The same reason why I'll be buying a sunshade for the roof I'll be wanting a cargo cover.

(I understand you don't find this an issue in your 3; but I really dislike overly-hot interiors, and equally don't like the car when aircon is running full blast to compensate; I'd rather have things on-hand to manage heat when I need it than sit in a car feeling crud!)

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1300 sold yesterday

Is that 1300 sold for NZ only? It'll be interesting to know if they manage to deliver all those within that timeframe, especially given that's the same timeframe if ordering today.

How does that compare to the launch of the M3 here? Do you know the origins of those figures?

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#2925216 11-Jun-2022 11:58

I dont find the 3 hot at all, just leave cabin overheat on and pre-cool, I have a sunscreen but its more for blocking light at times rather than heat.

Yes just NZ, I suspect they had similar numbers of 3s ordered after the clean car rebate, but this will beboth 3 and Y now so they'll have to ramp up still, I think thats one reason why theyve been prepping chc and welly locations etc

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#2925237 11-Jun-2022 13:14

Dingbatt:

I’d be interested to know the stats on the M3LR vs the M3P numbers since the rebate started because there is still a $14K (?) price difference. For an everyday driver you’re essentially paying that for bragging rights of owning a Performance. I think it has more to do with demand for the MYLR in other RHD markets outstripping supply though.

Yet another example of why the rebate limit should be $100K.

I had some time this morning to look it up on Waka Kotahi's OpenData portal and I was infact wrong.

Since the rebate, there have been 3957 Model 3 registered. 3555 were SR+/RWD, 249 were Long Range and 153 were Performance.

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#2925238 11-Jun-2022 13:21

I’m afraid curiosity got the better of me

As you would expect, even on a day with hideous weather there was still a lot of interest. (Hopefully not a superspreader event).

So,

It looks better in the flesh than in images

The driving position is more ‘commanding’ than the 3.

Seats are the same but in the front your legs aren’t as stretched out level and in the back seat your knees are not above the line of your hips like they are in the 3. So more of an SUV feel to it. And even lanky teenagers will fit in the back.

It comes with a UMC

The rear bumper has the towbar panel in it. The towbar is ‘provisionally’ coming in 2023 (couldn’t say what sort). I say provisionally because according to the advisor I was talking to the Model 3 towbar has also been “Coming next year” for the last 3 years.

The irony of the display model being the one that doesn’t qualify for the rebate (due to paint colour) was not lost on me.

More orders for the Y taken in 4 hours after opening than in the last 3 months for the 3. So “a bit of pent up demand” would be an understatement!

Advisor team were given 4 hours notice before things went live.

Because of where the showroom is located I was able to stroll along and compare an Escape PHEV and NX PHEV at their respective dealers. They all feel a similar size.

@Scott3 My comment about towing was more aimed at the fact that in general Kiwis tow way too heavy loads with their vehicles. What it’s rated to do, what you can do and what you should do are different things.

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#2925240 11-Jun-2022 13:24

jonathan18:

Is that 1300 sold for NZ only? It'll be interesting to know if they manage to deliver all those within that timeframe, especially given that's the same timeframe if ordering today.

How does that compare to the launch of the M3 here? Do you know the origins of those figures?

There were 802 Model 3 delivered in the very first delivery period of 2019

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#2925246 11-Jun-2022 13:57

Of interest, the Model 3 estimated delivery time frame is listed as Feb - March 2023

Where the Model Y delivery time frame is listed as Aug - Nov 2022.

Potentially the Model 3 delivery time frame could change, As I imagine a bunch of people have canceled their orders in the last 24 hours.

But I wonder the reason. Is the factory going to get tooled up to run exclusive model Y production for months? Is their some components of the model 3 holding up production? Does Tesla simply want focus on delivery of their latest product? Are they getting in while they can, cranking out lots of model Y's for NZ, before inflation takes the vehicle over the $80k cap, which would make the 3 comparatively more popular again.

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#2925248 11-Jun-2022 14:09

Obraik:

Dingbatt:

I’d be interested to know the stats on the M3LR vs the M3P numbers since the rebate started because there is still a $14K (?) price difference. For an everyday driver you’re essentially paying that for bragging rights of owning a Performance. I think it has more to do with demand for the MYLR in other RHD markets outstripping supply though.

Yet another example of why the rebate limit should be $100K.

I had some time this morning to look it up on Waka Kotahi's OpenData portal and I was infact wrong.

Since the rebate, there have been 3957 Model 3 registered. 3555 were SR+/RWD, 249 were Long Range and 153 were Performance.

Those model 3 registration numbers are fairly telling. I didn't know that so few LR / Performance cars were sold since the rebate came in. The latter seem common around where I live, but I guess many would be from before the rebate.

The rebate cap is really distorting the market. Desirable stuff under the cap sells in droves, but anything above sells in lower volumes.

This distortion will carry on into the used market in say a decades time. Want a decade old EV AWD car for a specific purpose (say you are a snow sports enthusiast, and want to get past chain or 4x4 restrictions), sorry, they are going to be super rare...

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#2925254 11-Jun-2022 14:26

Scott3:

This distortion will carry on into the used market in say a decades time. Want a decade old EV AWD car for a specific purpose (say you are a snow sports enthusiast, and want to get past chain or 4x4 restrictions), sorry, they are going to be super rare...

At the same time though, those requirements are fairly niche.

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#2925296 11-Jun-2022 17:30

Obraik:

At the same time though, those requirements are fairly niche.

All Subaru owners. You are now “niche”😁

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#2925299 11-Jun-2022 17:36

Most Subaru drivers are going from the hipster barbershop to the coffee shop with a dog in the back😉

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#2925396 11-Jun-2022 20:33

Obraik:

Scott3:

This distortion will carry on into the used market in say a decades time. Want a decade old EV AWD car for a specific purpose (say you are a snow sports enthusiast, and want to get past chain or 4x4 restrictions), sorry, they are going to be super rare...

At the same time though, those requirements are fairly niche.

When you add up all the different niches, they become substantial.

To stay on topic for this thread, Even the niche of a used car buyer who only buys red cars, and who's needs would be met with a model Y would find them very hard to come by.

Should note that AWD systems on road focused car's are a pretty popular these days, regardless of any objective need for such systems.

Having a diverse range of used EV's in the marketplace in a decades time is going to be fairly key to continue emissions reductions.

If there arn't common AWD Pure EV's on the used market, the AWD loving Subaru outback owner is unlikely to upgrade to a used pure EV, and may even lobby against pro EV policy (like we have seen for utes).

I do like how the $80k cap has caused brands to cut margins on cars near the limit to boost sales. Suspect this is a factor in NZ having one of the cheapest Model Y base prices in the world.

But I don't like how it encourage's New EV buyers who otherwise would have forked out more to settle for a lesser car as to not loose the rebate value. Might was well have what ever features they choose trickle down to the used car markeet. (AWD, Long Range etc.)

And in the bigger picture, the $80k cap pritty much rules out all sorts of vehicle types from getting the rebate.:

Nicer pure electric 7 seaters. I know the china built model Y doesn't have this option, but it was added, and priced the same as in the US (USD3000), it would mean no rebates on 7 seat model Y's
Non china medium - large pure electric Vans. Hiace style etc. Bunch of these available in Europe, unlikley to see them in NZ)
Non China pure EV utes
Basically anything pure electric and AWD / 4x4

Add all those up and you have a fairly big chunk of the car market with only very rare EV alternatives in the used market in a decades time.

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#2925418 11-Jun-2022 21:34

The cost of EVs however should be dropping as economies of scale and mass production brings down Manufacturing costs. The rebate was never supposed to be for luxury cars, but many EVs, including Teslas are considered luxury cars with some of the features they have.

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#2925439 11-Jun-2022 22:09

mattwnz: The cost of EVs however should be dropping as economies of scale and mass production brings down Manufacturing costs. The rebate was never supposed to be for luxury cars, but many EVs, including Teslas are considered luxury cars with some of the features they have.

With inflation running at around 6%, current resource & production constraints limiting the ability to quickly scale EV production, and high demand driven by high oil prices, EV price decreases seem unlikely in the next couple of year's seem unlikely.

Personally don't consider the model Y a luxury car, even if it gets a few nice features.

And the point is kinda moot anyway, no body has been able to bring a 7 seater, or an AWD pure EV to market below $80k.

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#2925478 12-Jun-2022 07:43

Was just looking at an Aussie Tesla owners video and it claimed their delivery times for the Y have already blown out to Dec-Feb.

NZ Tesla order page has changed from Aug-Nov to Nov-Dec in the space of a weekend. I suggest before too much longer the delivery time will be similar to the 3 (first quarter 2023). Although M3 times may improve as people cancel their orders in favour of the MY
I was looking at replacing our remaining ICE vehicle with a PHEV and my better half wanted SUV/Crossover ride height. The Y was out of the question up until Friday because it was going to be well over $80K (more like $90K for MYLR) as I assumed we would follow countries like the UK and only have MYLR and MYP on offer. But then the MYRWD popped up.

But a MYRWD in white with black interior and standard 19” wheels is approx $70K after rebate. The Escape PHEV I had shortlisted is approx $61K after rebate (talk about mission creep!). Do we really need 2 BEVs? My wife does still like the comfort of a petrol backup. Maybe a $400 gamble with 6 months to decide might be in order.

I still prefer sedans, but there is some added utility in the Y over the 3. Particularly for families.

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#2925507 12-Jun-2022 10:00

Dingbatt:

Do we really need 2 BEVs? My wife does still like the comfort of a petrol backup. Maybe a $400 gamble with 6 months to decide might be in order.

Not sure if that's a rhetorical question?! Personally, I'd have no hesitation to go in boots-and-all, and in fact in purchasing the Y I am; my wife's car is a 2013 Leaf, which has a claimed 110 km range on a good day!

Given you're considering a PHEV, you'll still be at the mercy of fuel costs for anything over that small range; you'll also be stuck with lugging all that extra weight of an engine plus the additional servicing costs. I won't also mention the environmental angle as I'm sure that's not the way to win you over (oops, I did mention it...).

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